This is rich: 'Palestinians' object to 'egalitarian prayer area' in Western Wall plaza
Anxious to avoid a controversy, Prime Minister Netanyahu asked former Minister Natan Sharansky to find a solution to the monthly riots over Women of the Wall. Sharansky has proposed making a separate 'egalitarian prayer area' (i.e. without a separation barrier between men and women) south of where the current Kotel plaza is.
Sharanskyâs plan will allow for the construction of an additional
section of the Western Wall Plaza at the southern end of the Kotel,
equal in size and height as the northern prayer area, for egalitarian
prayer and accessible as part of one unified Western Wall complex with a
single entrance. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has told Sharansky
to meet with National Security Adviser Yaakov Amidror to deal with
issues like how to handle moving the Mugrabi Bridge to the Temple Mount.
But the 'Palestinians,' who are generally supported by many of the same Leftists who support Women of the Wall, object to making any changes to the Kotel plaza.
The Palestinian Authority will not permit Israel to change the entrance
to the Temple Mount in order to facilitate the building of an
egalitarian prayer area near the Western Wall, PA Religious Affairs
Minister Mahmoud El Habash told The Jerusalem Post in Ramallah Thursday morning.
He said he considers the Western Wall an Islamic holy site, al-Buraq.
"Any
changes in Haram a-Sharif [Temple Mount] is unacceptable to the
Palestinians and Arab side," Habash said in a meeting with Israeli
journalists. "It's a change of our heritage site and I believe such
changes may push all of us to new conflicts and problems."
Habash,
who is a former Hamas member from the Gaza Strip but strongly backs two
states for two peoples, said any change in the status quo regarding the
Temple Mount must wait until a final status agreement between Israel
and the PA.
"Any changes in this situation will make the problem
more difficult," Habash said. "We don't agree to any changes. It's a
Wakf place, and Islamic place and we have documents to prove it. You can
pray how you want after the liberation of Palestine."
UNESCO is pursuing a diabolical Arabized geography which opens the
door to a JĂŒdenrein Judea, a de-Judaized âholy landâ, as the
anti-Semitic semanticists call it.
But the attack on language is
more than semantic. If itâs Jewish, then itâs called âJudea and
Samariaâ. If itâs âWest Bankâ or âPalestineâ, those are justifications
for saying that âJews stole itâ. And the Palestinian Arabs, whose
members came to the holy land from the Arabian desert in the 7th
century, become the descendants of the long-disappeared, so-called
âindigenous Canaanitesâ of the Bible.
That's why a few days ago
Irina Bokova, head of UNESCO, sent a message to the Palestinian
Authority âon the occasion of the International Day of Solidarity with
the Palestinian Peopleâ,in which she proclaims the support for "the
Palestinian cultural industry".
Battir, however, is not âa
Palestinian villageâ with an old irrigation system, itâs the holy site
of the ancient Jewish fortress of Betar, the site of the last organized
resistance of the Jews to Roman rule in 135 C.E. during the historically
documenteed Bar Kochba rebellion.
But in the UNESCO protocols there is no mention of Betar.
According to the UNESCO-Palestinian Authority joint venture, Eretz Yisrael is a myth, a colonialist construct, a Jewish plot.
UNESCOâs
next steps are underto take place under Israelâs nose: very soon the
Temple Mount, the Dead Sea Scrolls, Josephâs Tomb and the Shalom al
Israel synagogue will be designated as âmosquesâ by the UNâs agency.
Slapping
history squarely in the face, UNESCO has already adopted the
Arab-islamic propaganda and declared that Rachelâs Tomb and Hevronâs
Cave of the Patriarchs are âMuslim mosquesâ.
The only good news here is that the United States Congress cut off UNESCO's funding last year, so at least the US isn't paying for this monstrosity. Of course, the Obama administration would like to reinstate the funding, but so long as he doesn't find a trick to circumvent Congress (and he'd have to cancel a vacation to do that), I see little chance of that happening.
To understand the importance of the Palestinian campaign one must remind that there has been another manipulation of Jesus: the âAryan Jesusâ of Adolf Hitler. The pro-Nazis Christian Movementâs recasted Jesus as an Aryan fighting against the Jews. According to the Hitlerâs theologians, Jesus was not a Jew, but a Galilean opponent of Judaism. The Christian Bible was stripped of all âJewish influenceâ. As the Aryan Jesus was the Christian legitimization of the Nazi Holocaust, the Arabized and Islamicized Jesus under the Palestinian warfare is a tool in the Jihad against the State of Israel and its Jews.
Under the PLOâs dictatorship, the Jewish history has already become âPalestinian Arab historyâ and the Jewish nation (âAm Yisraelâ) that ruled in the Holy Land for a thousand years and developed a world-shaking culture never existed. The brave Jewish historian Bat Yeâor in the pivotal book âDhimmitudeâ called it âArabization of Jesusâ and âde-Judaization of the Bibleâ, which are both serving the Palestinian cause.
The Palestinian Authorityâs television aired a program asserting that the tales of the Bible took place in what is today Yemen, not in the modern State of Israel. A PA-TV show also argued that Palestinians are âthe true descendants of the biblical Israelites.â Josephâs Tomb in Nablus and the most ancient synagogue in Jericho, two cities transferred by Israel to Palestinian control in suicidal agreements, are among the sacred Jewish places destroyed by Arabs, in eerily similar attempts to the Talibanâs deplorable annihilation of ancient Buddhas in Afghanistan. Abdallah al-Hourani, the former Palestinian minister for refugee affairs, told the newspaper Al-Hayat al-Jedidah: âThe Crusaders lived in our land for 242 years, until the liberation of their last outposts, and Israel is like a tree that has flowered on land not belonging to it. No matter how much it is fertilized, it cannot put down roots, and when the fertilizer stops, it will dieâ.
The Palestinian lies are lethal. Alex Grobmanâs wonderful book âLicense to Murderâ (Balfour) details that Arafat carried the Arabic copy of the âProtocols of Elders of Zionâ wherever he went, regularly quoting from it to impress upon his visitors the perfidy of Zionism. Like Hitler, Arafat used the Protocols as a manual in his war to exterminate the Jews. The PA still consistently cites the book while their strictly controlled media continually runs stories about Jewish âconspiraciesâ and âplots.â In his welcoming speech to Jericho in July 1994, Arafat âborrowedâ from the Protocols. According to the scholar Grobman, âthe Protocols provided the PA with the âacademicâ credibility and authenticity it needed to portray Jews and Israelis as evil, and thus making âfighting and killing Jews a natural responseââ.
After Hitlerâs Holocaust which tried to destroy the body of the Jewish people and Stalinâs Holocaust which tried to destroy the heart of the Jewish people, itâs now the turn of the Palestinian ideological Holocaust seeking to destroy the history of the Jewish people. The 20th century of Joseph Goebbels has taught all of us that a lie starts as a small one, but if it is not corrected it festers like a cancer destroying truth, justice and finally human beings.
In this context, the Vatican appears consistent. They were afraid to oppose the Nazis and they are afraid to oppose the 'Palestinians.' So they let them adopt Jesus as their own. That's sad, especially because so many other Christians feel otherwise.
On Monday and Tuesday nights, Mrs. Carl and I will be attending weddings, God willing. At each wedding, underneath the canopy, a glass will be broken, and the following words will be said or sung in Hebrew, as they have been at every Jewish wedding for hundreds of years:
If I forget thee O Jerusalem, let my right hand be forgotten, may my tongue cleave to my mouth if I do not remember thee, if I do not raise Jerusalem atop my celebration.
Would you believe that the 'Palestinians' are now claiming that's their custom? Official Palestinian Authority TV has produced and broadcast a music video imitating the Jewish tradition regarding Jerusalem, mimicking the Biblical expression "If I forget thee, oh Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill, may my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth, if I do not remember thee," [Psalms 137:5]. This verse from the Book of Psalms expresses Jewish longing for Jerusalem after its destruction and the Jewish exile.
The song broadcast on PA TV and performed by an Egyptian singer includes scenes from the markets in the old city of Jerusalem, Arab children playing, the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, blended with scenes of riots, stone-throwing, and clashes with Israeli soldiers in Jerusalem. No Jewish holy sites or landmarks are shown and the only Israelis seen are soldiers.
The song, which mimics the Jewish longing for Jerusalem described in the Bible, includes the following lyrics:
"May my right arm forget me, may my left arm forget me. May the light of my eyes and the openings of songs forget me, if I forget Jerusalem."
Let's go to the videotape.
Those of you who don't watch my overnight music videos may not understand the reference in the title to "Shwekey." Singer Yaakov Shwekey has several music videos of the original song in Hebrew, which are combined with Jerusalem street scenes. For that matter, so do other Jewish singers, with different tunes, but I suspect Shwekey's are among the best known.
Let's go to the (much more pleasant) videotape. This one claims to be the 'original.' More after the video.
So are the 'Palestinians' not only copying the song, but the idea of posting it with street scenes? I suspect that they are.
The purpose of the current PA TV song may be to generate Palestinian feelings for "ancient Palestinian roots" in Jerusalem while denying Jewish history there. PMW reported on a PA TV broadcast of an interview with a Palestinian historian who told the audience that the term "If I forget thee, oh Jerusalem" was not from the Bible, but was a crusader term misappropriated by modern Zionism to falsify a Jewish connection to Jerusalem.
Official Palestinian Authority TV broadcast a documentary which stated that the PA plans to build an Arab residential area in place of the Western Wall Plaza in Jerusalem, "when they [Israelis] disappear from the picture, like a forgotten chapter in the pages of our city's history."
The Western Wall, a remnant of the Temple Mount, is Judaism's holiest and most important prayer site.
The PA TV documentary further rejected the Jewish connection to Jerusalem, referring to Jewish history as "their false history," while the Jews' praying at the Western Wall was called "sin and filth."
Let's go to the videotape.
By the way, prior to 1967, there was an Arab neighborhood where the Western Wall plaze is located. The Arabs built right up to the Wall in a bid to prevent Jews from ever praying there.
The current spate of social protests in Israel has apparently awakened the Israeli government to three realities. First, that the country needs affordable housing wherever it can find it. Second, that there is no sense to pretending that the 'Palestinians' are going to settle with us today or tomorrow, and therefore holding a large portion of our country out of bounds in the hope of making peace with them. And third, if Israel ever again wishes to be able to contemplate any kind of expulsion of Jews from their homes, the barest minimum of decency requires that it prove that it will resettle them.
These three realities have resulted in a small first step, which will undoubtedly bring condemnation from the Arabs, the Europeans and the US (in that order), to find places to live for Jews. Defense Minister Ehud Barak has approved the construction of 277 housing units in Ariel, a city in Samaria which already has a population of more than 20,000 souls. And 100 of those units will go to Jews who were expelled from their homes in Gaza six years ago.
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak approved a plan to build 277 apartments in the West Bank settlement of Ariel, 100 of them for families evacuated from Gush Katif six years ago.
Barak approved the marketing of the apartments last week, the Defense Ministry announced on Monday. Building permits for the apartments had been awarded previously, but marketing of the apartments had been delayed due to diplomatic concern , Haaretz reported.
Construction of the units is expected to take three years.
More than one-third of the apartments will go to Jewish families removed from their homes in the Netzarim settlement in Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip in 2005.
Ariel is home to about 20,000 Jewish settlers. It is located some 11 miles east of the Green Line.
Actions should have consequences. If the 'Palestinians' continue to refuse to come to the table and negotiate in good faith, there may soon be nothing left for them to negotiate.
In an earlier post, I noted , 'moderate' 'Palestinian' President Mahmoud AbbasAbu Mazen's demand to US Representatives for an apartheid state, and the lack of response from those members of the US House. Jonathan Tobin expands on Abu Mazen's dream of an ethnically cleansed 'Palestinian state.'
For the PA, the desire to remove the Jews stems more from ideology than pragmatism. Palestinians and their foreign cheerleaders bemoan the security precautions that Israel has been forced to put in place in order to prevent another wave of Arab terror as humiliating. But it is the mere presence of Jews living anywhere in the country that is the real source of Arab humiliation. Palestinian nationalism grew up in the last century purely as a reaction to the influx of Jewish immigrants. Thus expunging every vestige of the Jewish presence is inextricably tied up in the enterprise of Palestinian sovereignty and it is no surprise that it has become a priority for the PA.
What makes this demand so outrageous is the fact that any Israeli who would call for the expulsion of Arabs from Israel is rightly branded as an extremist whose views are out of touch with the democratic values of the nation. Yet few in the West think there is anything odd about the fact that the Palestinians vision of a two-state solution is to have one state with both Jews and Arabs and one Arab state where all Jews have been thrown out. Nor have they figured out that the Palestinian refusal to recognize the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish state is linked to their desire to throw all Jews out of the West Bank and Jerusalem. Even in the unlikely event that the Palestinians would ever be willing to sign a treaty recognizing the legitimacy of Israel within any borders, Abbasâ terms makes it difficult to envision the end of the conflict.
Exactly. So does the World not get this? Or do they get it and not care about it? Sadly, it's more likely the latter than the former.
Abu Bluff tells visiting US Representatives he seeks an apartheid state, gets no response
At a meeting in Ramallah on Thursday with US Representatives, 'moderate' 'Palestinian' President Mahmoud AbbasAbu Mazen said that he is seeking an apartheid state. Shamefully, if any of the Representatives had any comment on that idea, we have not been told about it.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met Thursday with a US Democratic Congressional delegation currently visiting the region, telling them that he is seeking a Palestinian state without settlements, Palestinian news agency WAFA reported.
According to the report, Abbas told the visiting legislators that regarding paths to statehood, his "first, second and third choice" is negotiations, but added that he does not see going to the United Nations to seek recognition of statehood as being contradictory "with the essence of the peace process."
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The PA president also gave his vision of security in a future Palestinian state, saying that a third party comprised of NATO forces under US command would take responsibility, WAFA reported.
I'll tell you what: They can have an Arab-only state if we can have a Jewish-only state. They take all our Arabs and we take all their Jews. But of course, that will never happen, because the real 'Palestinian' goal is to destroy the Jewish state, not to create a 23rd Arab one. And 70 years after the Holocaust, the World is so ready to let that happen that even our friends from the US Congress don't think quickly enough to voice an objection.
'Palestinians': 'If I forget thee O Jerusalem' was a crusader expression usurped by the Zionists
Just when you thought that the 'Palestinians' could not make up any bigger lies....
As part of the continuing Palestinian denial of Jewish history in Jerusalem, a Palestinian researcher and specialist on Jerusalem has claimed that the well-known verse of the Hebrew psalm, "If I forget thee, oh Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill," is not a Jewish source at all. He said that the words were uttered by a Christian Crusader, and have only recently been "borrowed" by Jews and "falsified in the name of Zionism."
The verse is in fact from Psalm 137 of the Hebrew Bible, which opens with the words: "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion." The psalm mourns the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonian army in 586 BCE, is part of Jewish tradition and liturgy and has appeared in Jewish sources for thousands of years.
I'm almost surprised they're not claiming it was said by Mohamed. That would be completely in character for these Muslim misappropriaters of other people's history.
'Palestinian Authority' still actively denying Israel's 'right to exist'
Israel's putative 'peace partner' continues to deny its 'right to exist.'
The Palestinian Authority's ideology is to refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist. The media it owns and controls regularly publish articles that demonize the modern State of Israel and its establishment as a "colonialist plan".
Recently, the official PA daily went even further, not just maligning the modern State of Israel but also labeling the Jewish/Israelite presence in the land of Judea/Israel 2000 years ago as a "crude form of colonialism".
Whereas Hamas openly denies Israel's right to exist in both English and Arabic, the PA professes in English before the international community to have recognized Israel's right to exist. As documented by Palestinian Media Watch, when addressing its own people in Arabic, the PA - like Hamas - completely denies Israel's right to exist.
The following is the PA daily's defining ancient Judea/Israel as "colonialism":
"The Zionists must acknowledge publicly, in front of the world, that the Jews have no connection to the Palestinian Arab land, upon whose ruins arose the colonialist settler Zionist plan that settles and expels, represented by the Israeli apartheid state. That which occurred two thousand years ago (i.e., the Jewish/Israeli presence in the land), assuming that it is true, represents in the book of history nothing more than invention and falsification and a coarse and crude form of colonialism."
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va) issued the following statement on Wednesday's terror attack in Jerusalem:
âTodayâs bombing in Jerusalem is another chilling reminder of the obstacles Israel faces in its quest to live in peace with its neighbors. Israel is a true friend to the United States and a vital strategic ally in an unstable region. In the face of unremitting terror, Israel can count on the continued support of the United States as exercises its right to defend its people.
âWithin the past two weeks, Palestinian terrorists in Gaza have launched dozens of unprovoked rocket attacks at innocent Israelis, while in the West Bank a terrorist brutally murdered a family as they slept in their home. These attacks must not be downplayed as mere episodes in a game of tit-for-tat between Israelis and Palestinians. There is absolutely no justification for deliberate and deadly attacks on innocent civilians.
âThis kind of violence does not emerge in a vacuum; it is incubated through education and nurtured by popular culture. The sooner the world comes to grips with this reality, the sooner that there will be peace in the region. Thatâs why we must use the recent attacks to address the root cause of this violence: anti-Israel incitement in Palestinian mosques, schools and media â and the blanket refusal on the part of the Palestinians to accept Israelâs right to exist that it has created.
âThe Administration has called on Israel to make sweeping concessions that I believe will endanger its security, but it doesnât seem to demand similar from the Palestinians. Thatâs why I support bipartisan efforts in the House and Senate that call on the White House to put an end to anti-Israel incitement in the Palestinian territories. No matter how much we desire Mideast peace, it will remain a pipe dream so long as Palestinian culture makes martyrs of terrorists who target innocents.â
And President Obama's statement - by noting the accidental killings of 'Palestinians' in Gaza on Tuesday - implied precisely the type of tit-for-tat games that Cantor says (and I agree) we must avoid. There is no moral equivalence.
'Palestinians' trying to make an international court case out of Israeli archaeological excavations
The 'Palestinians' and their Arab allies are trying to put together a court case to take to the 'International Court of Justice' in the Hague against Israeli archaeological excavations in Jerusalem.
Arab experts on Wednesday took the first steps towards taking international legal action against Israel for ongoing excavations near the old city of Jerusalem.
Arab archaeologists, conservationists and heritage experts met in Amman yesterday to gather what they claim are documented impacts of ongoing Israeli projects altering the identity of the Holy City.
The two-day gathering of the committee of experts, held under the auspices of the Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (ISESCO) at the Department of Antiquities (DoA), aims to take Israel to task for violations ranging from changing historical street names to excavations underneath Al Aqsa Mosque.
Once the documentation is complete, the committee will draft a report and issue recommendations for a case to be brought before the International Court of Justice, according to DoA Director Ziad Saad.
"We aim to gather sound scientific evidence for politicians to take up the case at the international level," he told The Jordan Times on the sidelines of the meeting, which was opened by Minister of Tourism Haifa Abu Ghazaleh.
Moawiyah Ibrahim, Jordan's representative to the UNESCO World Heritage Committee, said the move comes amidst concerns that Israeli authorities are abusing archaeology for political ends.
"Israel has used Biblical texts to support their national narrative and have disregarded Arab-Islamic heritage," he said.
Does anyone think that the 'international community' will stand up and call the 'Palestinians' on their denial of history by claiming that the Jewish Temples never existed? I'm still waiting to hear the Pope stand up and say that the Jewish Temples existed because Jesus was in the Second Temple.
If I had to make a list of people who need to keep their mouths shut, Helen Thomas would be high on the list.
Helen Thomas, the veteran journalist who was fired for her anti-Jewish comments made another historically questionable statement on CNN this week. She stated that following the Holocaust, Jewish residents of Europe could have simply returned to their former homes as opposed to going to Israel. Thomas stated, that Jewish residents "didnât have to go anywhere really, because they weren't being persecuted anymore. But they were taking other peopleâs land.â Thomas is of Lebanese-Arab heritage.
Shocka: Tzipi Livni also demanded recognition of Israel as a Jewish state
Remember how the Netanyahu government supposedly killed the 'peace process' by demanding that the 'Palestinians' recognize Israel as a Jewish state? Well, I'm sure you'll all be shocked - just shocked - to hear that then-Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni demanded the same thing during the Olmert government. It's all there in Palileaks.
TL: [Visibly angered.] I think that we can use another session â about what it means to be a Jew and that it is more than just a religion. But if you want to take us back to 1947 -- it wonât help. Each state constituting the homeland for its people and the fulfillment of their national aspirations and self determination in their own territory. Israel the state of the Jewish people -- and I would like to emphasize the meaning of âits peopleâ is the Jewish people -- with Jerusalem the united and undivided capital of Israel and of the Jewish people for 3007 years... [The Palestinian team protests.] You asked for it. [AA: We said East Jerusalem!] âŠand Palestine for the Palestinian people. We did not want to say that there is a âPalestinian peopleâ but weâve accepted your right to self determination.
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Elder comments that the Guardian never mentioned this document in their coverage, but they definitely saw it because they cherry picked one sentence from it. Which is all true, but I think it's only fair to add another observation: this is Livni demanding Palestinian recognition of a Jewish State, a year and a half before Netanyahu, newly installed as prime minister, raised the exact same demand and was universally condemned for daring to destroy the peace process with his outlandish position.
Muslim archeology on Temple Mount erasing traces of Jewish altar
An eight-month 'archeological dig' by the Muslim Waqf on the Temple Mount may have destroyed any traces of the altar from the Jewish Temples, which is located in the same place according to Jewish tradition (Hat Tip: Gershon D).
The digs have been taking place under the Dome of the Chain, believed to have been built over 1300 years ago. For eight months, the dome - which has a diameter of 14 meters - has been surrounded by a metal fence and black cloth, which hide whatever activity has been going on there from outside inspection. The Muslim Waqf religious authority has claimed the activity is simply a refurbishing of the structure, but refuses adamantly to let Jews or tourists near.
Jewish activists made various attempts to enter the Dome, but met with no success. In the end, the Our Temple Mount news outlet found an Arab who was willing to take photos inside the compound in return for a handsome fee (see below). The man said that it appears the Waqf has already completed its digs and is now covering the dig with dirt.
Our Temple Mount notes that according to Jewish tradition, the place where the Dome of the Chain is located is the spot upon which the sacrificial Altar stood in Temple times. Temple activists said that the Muslim digs are intended to erase the Jewish connection to the Temple Mount.
A new study indicates that since 2001, the 'Palestinian Authority' has systematically changed the names of Jewish historical sites in 'Palestinian' textbooks in order to deny the Jewish heritage.
According to the CEO of the institute and the author of the report, Shelley Elkayam, the phenomenon is characterised by a few levels of significance, among them gender symbolism alongside subversive logical undermining and a slipping away from the modern-historical to the mythical-legendary.
Elkayam asserted that the Palestinian edition itself explains the process of change as a conscious manipulation which was done by "Palestinian, Arab, and Islamic centres and with the help of charities working to revive the Arab Palestinian heritage to maintain the character of Palestine and its heritage like Al-Burke Wall â the Western Wall, Bilal Ibn Rabah Mosque â Rachel's tomb."
The IMPACT-SE report showed the change clearly. On page 91 in the 1995 grade 6 book Palestinian Civil Studies, Rachel's tomb was "Rachel's tomb: mother of Joseph our lord (Said) and Jacob's wife", while on page 56 in the 2001 version of the book for grade 7 Rachel's tomb was transformed by the Palestinians into a mosque.
In the schoolbook from 2001, in an exercise titled "attempts to erase the Palestinian heritage" Bilal Mosque [Rachel's tomb] and the cave of the Patriarchs are presented to the children as part of the Palestinian "philosophical heritage" and examples of "the attempt to 'turn Jewish' Muslim-religious places like: Abraham's Mosque [cave of the patriarchs] and Bilal Ibn Rabah mosque [Rachel's tomb]".
But their goal is 'two states living side by side in peace.' Tell me about it....
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