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Thursday, June 03, 2010

Faked photos on Foreign Ministry site?

A Moroccan lawyer accuses Israel's Foreign Ministry of using old photos to show weapons discovered on the Mavi Marmara (Hat Tip: Memeorandum). The first picture he attacks is Turkish bulletproof vests.
A slight snag though: two commentators, probably anti-semitic, point out that this photo really is from February 2006:
Blue says: In addition, IsraelMFA has to be careful with the date settings of their cameras! This picture looks like it was taken on Feb 7, 2006.. Wth?
goplayer2008 says:
EXIF data
Date and Time (Modified): 2010:06:02 10:37:58
YCbCr Positioning: Co-sited
Exposure Program: Aperture-priority AE
Date and Time (Original): 2006:02:07 04:49:57
Date and Time (Digitized): 2006:02:07 04:49:57
Funny. When I checked that, it didn't have any of that information.

The post goes on to claim that an axe would ordinarily be found on a ship. That is true. But it's not normally used to swing at law enforcement officers. And although I am not a sailor, I wonder whether electric saws are typically found on ships.

When he claims to be able to show that the videos were faked, call me.


At 12:16 PM, Blogger Hutzpan said...

To see the EXIF data, you go to the Flickr page where the photo is stored, and then click on the "more properties" link. And indeed, the datetime stamp is 2006.02.07 04:49:57

However, this doesn't mean the photos were actually taken on that date and time. Cameras don't synchronize their datetime settings with atomic clock server in London or something like that. You have to set the proper time and date on your camera yourself. Most photographers just don't care.

At any rate, this date-stamp means nothing - one can manually edit it using any photo-editing software.

Another consideration: the sunrise time in Tel-Aviv today was at 5:35 am. The photo's date-stamp says 4:50 and that's February - in February at that time it would be pitch dark outside. This doesn't look to me as a photo taken 40 minutes before sunrise. The items on the deck are perfectly lit, I'd say the shots were taken well after noon time.

Yet another consideration. All the photos on this flickr photo set have the date-stamp identical to that of this particular photo, give or take a couple of minutes. I find it highly unlikely that someone could have taken all these photos all the time back in 2006 February at 4:50 am and kept them just for this particular occasion.

At 12:20 PM, Blogger Hutzpan said...

There's one good comment on the Flickr page re. this photo:

The photos were not taken in 06, good grief! People will believe anything they hear! The default clock setting for the Nikon camera that took these pictures is 2006-01-01. What must have happened was the person taking the pics changed the batteries 2 months ago and forgot to reset the clock!

Really people! Do some research before you jump to conclusions! When would the IDF have just 'happened' to encounter a pile of bulletproof vests with the TURKISH (not medic) crescent on them 4 years ago, and just 'happened' to keep this pic (and all the other pics) kept away somewhere for just such a time as this? Let's be real here!

At 12:48 PM, Blogger Mr. Gerson said...

I do not want the MFA sending out fake images... if true that is manipulative. They had better not be true accusations or my current deep trust with the mfa will be seriously dented. Please see if you can get to the bottom of this story.

At 1:22 PM, Blogger Juniper in the Desert said...

Isn't "moroccan lawyer" an oxymoron?

At 2:27 PM, Blogger Mr. Gerson said...


Was this video faked too?

I don't believe that.

At 5:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

im still not sure how they get those readings by a photo posted on a web page...but that make of camera was not released until june 06

carl, are you hiding something from the world? has israel mastered time travel?

and here is how Huwaida Arraf, founder of the ism is getting on with the meme of the vids being faked.

when the idf landed on her ship, they confiscated all video equipment...then came out with their own...ya, i know, its gibberish, but this girl is good at gibberish. another monster created at hebrew u.

oh and carl, why is there not more information regarding the idf landing on the other 5 ships?

they used flash bangs (non lethal in that situation...as long as not thrown on a person) and physical force (again, non lethal)

of course, ms arraf was crying about that too.

At 10:18 PM, Blogger Sunlight said...

Here's a summary I did re the vids for another thread (with depressingly CNN-obsessed people). I do need more re the other boats to make the argument stronger:
@Someone wrote "Turning the boats around is fine. Holding and inspecting the passengers and cargo... I'm all for it."

The process you support succeeded on all the flotilla boats except one. Here is the IDF doing the standard notification for what you think is ok and the Mari Marmara answering, "Negative. Our destination is Gaza.":


On the one boat that refused to cooperate, the infamous Mavi Marmara, here is how the standard stop went before anyone boarded:


Here they are in the team locker room, way before the IDF showed up. You can see when they spot the IDF coming in their boat:


This locker room style video is not an IDF video; it is a video from the boat. So it's probably a Turkish video. Maybe Turkey will use it for recruiting. These guys in their cute orange life preservers start the attack before the IDF attempted what @Someone so casually supports. As the standard coast guard type boat pulls alongside, the orange life vest guys are throwing stun grenades, etc. Israel did not start the violence. I wonder if these guys are among the 40 without documentation. I'm hoping Israel can run face recognition and give us all a full report of who these guys are and what role they had planned supporting Hamas in their warcrime rocket attacks on Israeli civilians and thug enforcement on the residents of Gaza.

Here's one more with a British Naval analyst explaining the video later when the IDF guys are actually going down the ropes (using both hands) and are assaulted before they even touch the deck:


This site is full of info from all kinds of sources. http://idfspokesperson.com/

Actually, more than @Someone, I am very concerned as to whether @USUniversity has any professors who are willing to put these videos, etc. in front of @USUniversity students.


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