'Queers for Palestine' anyone?
Yet another reminder how only visceral Jew hatred can explain how gays could support the 'Palestinians.'Four men from the Muslim village of Tamra, 20 km. east of Acre, were arrested on Tuesday night on suspicion of kidnapping a 19-year-old gay relative because of his sexual orientation.So why would gays support the 'Palestinians'?
The kidnap victim had moved to Tel Aviv to get away from threatening relatives, but police say the family members caught up with him after first harassing and threatening him.
His relatives had demanded he return to his village and “act normal,” the victim said.
Police said the kidnappers armed themselves with pepper spray and waited for their relative outside his south Tel Aviv apartment.
After identifying him walking down the street with a friend, the suspects allegedly assaulted the men, sprayed them with pepper spray, and made off with their target. The kidnap victim’s friend alerted police.
As police put up road blocks to intercept the kidnappers, the car carrying the youth drove north, and the victim was repeatedly beaten, police said. He was held for approximately 12 hours, and the captors planned to move him to a hideout. At that stage, police caught up with the kidnappers, arresting them and freeing the captive.
posted by Carl in Jerusalem @ 9:17 PM
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This is not to our credit. You know the Torah's stance on homo rights. And, as your mention of the Queers for Phakestine movement shows, we don't even reap a pragmatic benefit out of it*, so why bother?
* Then again, why would we expect to? Can a Jewish business increase its profits by working on Shabbat?
Because they're "progressive" and progressives hate Israel. You should read the comments on various gay blogs (or pro-gay blogs like AmericaBlog). They are almost uniformly anti-Israel, as are the article published.
Ziontruth,
I am well aware of the Torah's stand on homosexuality.
As far as I am aware, aside from the punishment stated in the Torah for violating the prohibition against homosexual acts, the rights of homosexuals under Torah law are no different than anyone else's.
And we no longer have the right to put people to death under Torah law.
So why is not putting them to death as the Arabs do 'not to our credit'?
And why should they not notice the fact that we do not summarily murder homosexuals as is done in the Arab world?
Carl,
It is not to our credit to portray Israel as a "Gay Mecca," the same way as it's inappropriate for the "Brand Israel" campaign to use the beauty of our women. I don't care if what I say sounds too similar to Islamic attitudes to some people. We're different from the Muslims, that goes without saying, but we don't have to imitate the West's libertinism to show that. A rabbi witnessing the square dance in Greeley, Colorado in 1949 would have had the same horrified reaction as Sayyid Qutb, but the outcome would still be different, in that he'd take it as a warning against such things spreading to the Jewish world, rather than a call for a worldwide war against the infidels.
IMHO we can only criticize the Left--for whom defense of homosexual rights IS a central issue--for their hypocrisy. But, just as we did not return to our land after 2000 years to feature Kokhav Nolad ("A Star Is Born," the Israeli equivalent of "American Idol," for outside readers) on TV, so too neither for being a sanctuary for gays in the Middle East.
Shabbat Shalom.
ZionTruth:
On Yom Kippur we reflect and pray to G-d for forgiveness. We are also reminded that praying to Hashem is not enough. For sins against our fellow man, we must seek forgiveness directly from them. This teaching, this separation between sins against man and sins against G-d is our Jewish heritage.
Now I ask you, if someone is gay, are they committing a sin against you? Of course not. Matters of sexuality are between an individual and Hashem, and nobody else.
This key philosophy is one of the many features of Jewish tradition which help prevent the kind of fanaticism we have seen exhibited by other religious groups during history.
Everyone, regardless of their sexuality, has the right to live with with dignity and in safety without persecution. During our short lives, one of our tasks is to ensure that these rights are protected.
Under Jewish law, the sanctity of human life is beyond question. The fact that other nations, even our neighbours, persecute and murder Homosexuals simply underlines how important it is for us to take a stand for what is right.
The land of Israel is and should be a refuge for those seeking to be able to live in dignity - and the fact that Israel is a refuge for persecuted souls is to our credit regardless of whether or not the nations of the world recognise it.
Supporting the fundamental human rights of our fellow human beings is not akin to "Brand Israel".
Shavua Tov.
Mr. Gerson said:
"The land of Israel is and should be a refuge for those seeking to be able to live in dignity"
No, the Land of Israel should be about HaShem's people living on the land in holiness as He prescribed. For Israel to become a sanctuary for homosexuals is as inappropriate as it would be for Israel to become a center for pornography production. The furthest I think we can go is, admit the refugees but immediately send them to another country (say, Holland, which is one of the most homo-friendly) after their arrival.
But enough of my own words. Here's from Rabbi Napthali Hoff on the subject:
Preserving the Original Moral Opprobrium
"The land of Israel is and should be a refuge for those seeking to be able to live in dignity"
"the Land of Israel should be about HaShem's people living on the land in holiness"
Those two positions are absolutely not mutually exclusive - in fact they are complimentary. It is our duty to protect the sanctity of life and the right of people to live in dignity. Both of these concepts are extremely important in Torah.
"[Being] a sanctuary for homosexuals is as inappropriate as [being] a center for pornography"
Clearly you are confused. Protecting the sanctity of life and the dignity of Human beings is more than appropriate - it is in line with Torah values.
Furthermore, despite your clear disgust of both homosexuality and pornography it is foolish to conflate the two. There is a huge adult and pornographic market for hetrosexuals.
"I plead with straight Jews to exhibit much greater understanding of the personal plight, especially the personal halakhic plight, of gay Jews, and to be ever mindful that an inability to legitimate homosexuality halakhically makes no negative claim whatsoever about the humanity, sanctity, worth, and dignity of homosexuals."
- Rabbi Joel Roth, Jewish Theological Seminary, Committee on Jewish Law and Standards 1978 - 2006. Author: The Halakhic Process.
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