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Saturday, January 05, 2013

Why it matters who the Likud MK's are

A lot of people didn't understand all these years that what Moshe Feiglin was really after was not becoming Prime Minister, but gaining control of one of Israel's major parties. Now, that the Likud's Knesset members are a much more right wing group, this dream of Yair Lapid is much less likely to come true.
Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid posted on his Facebook on Saturday afternoon that he will not be joining any united Center-Left bloc with Labor and the Tzipi Livni Party in the run up to the January 22 elections.
Giving his reasons for his refusal, he said he does "not tend to boycott people and parties."
Lapid said that during his scheduled meeting with Labor leader Shelly Yachimovich and Tzipi Livni Party leader Tzipi Livni, he will suggest that "in the likely event that (Prime Minister Binyamin) Netanyahu forms the next government, we should join it together so it will not be a government composed of haredim and extreme right-wingers."
The refusal follows his announcement earlier on Saturday that he would meet with Yacimovich and Livni to discuss efforts to create a "united front" to displace Netanyahu. However, a time and date for a meeting between the three leaders has yet to be set.
Of course, there's another reason it won't happen. Tzipi Livni will only accept one leader: Tzipi Livni. Even Lapid is smart enough to see that.
In spite of this, the Tzipi Livni Party hailed the move in a statement following Lapid's announcement, with Livni noting that with a united front against the prime minister, there is a "real opportunity to make a difference."
Guys, can you imagine being married to that ego? What a nightmare.... 

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At 9:32 PM, Blogger HaDaR said...

Netanyahu, as usual, will chose a Likud-Left-Charedi Government over anything else, as usual.
He'll find enough people whose only real principle is chairs and money.
It's not one or two deluded Feiglins that will preempt that.
He has not obtained ANYTHING in twelve years, and he still won't.
You can't make a pig fly, nor you can make it kosher.
Charedi parties, as usual, will sit in just any government that pays enough dough to their special interests. If they promise that Kiryat Sefer, Betar, Ramot and Neve Yaakov won't be given away, they are ready to deport all the rest of the Jews from our homes: and no Feiglin will stop that, unless there are thirty of them, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.

At 6:09 AM, Blogger Shy Guy said...

HaDar, correct. It is not the case (to stop Netanyahu with 30 Feiglinites) because we loyal nationalist voters choose it not to be and hand over our votes to the usual sectoral parties (Bennet, Eldad) which unlike Feiglins 12 years of trying, have shown how to go nowhere after 60+ years of failure.

So, if you wish to keep banging your head against the wall, go ahead and keep voting for Mafdal version 37 or Hatikvah version 9.

But if you want to get rid of Netanyahu, you can only do it from within the Likud - and there are enough good Jews out there to accomplish this. It means they have to actually hold there noses and vote for the Likud in the national elections and not just in the Likud party primaries.

Unfortunately, we are creatures of hard to break habits so we will apparently choose what makes us feel good going down and not take the bitter medicine which can cure us afterward.

Not-so-clever Jews.

At 10:39 AM, Blogger HaDaR said...

I have no idea where you have been for the last thirty years, but I have to communicate to you that MK Arieh Eldad has been in the Knesset only for about twelve years, none of which in any government. Before, he was Director of a Surgery Clinic at Hadassah Hospital Jerusalem; and before he was the General in Command of the Sanitary Corps in the Army... So, given that he is really one of the two or three tsaddiqim in Sdom (the Knesset), where everyone has been selling and buying his mother for money and chairs, I suggest you pick your targets better.
NO SELF RESPECTING AND TORAH-TRUE RABBI can appeal to vote for Likud, and in fact they don't.
So, you can keep on thinking that there is nothing wrong with sitting in the council of scoundrels, I go with David HaMelekh, fearless rabbis and TORAH GIANTS like Rabbi Dov Lior.
The MAFDA"L (NRP) showed ALWAYS who they really are, from Yosef Burg's order in 1981 to drop 40 tons of cement at the entrance of the gigantic FIRST TEMPLE ERA hall discovered under Har Habayit by Rav Getz, zt"l, and Rav Goren, zt"l, so as not to upset the muzzies; to Zevulum Hammer's "movement for the peaceful evacuation of Yamit" together with Ariel Sharon; to Zevulm Orlev's presence IN the Sharon's Government UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE before the deportation of the Jews from Gaza.
Hopefully for them, and there are some VERY GOOD PEOPLE THERE, like Orit Shtruck, they will be better, since they practically got rid of the old gang.
My memory, todà la-El, is too good for you trying to play these games with me... I PERSONALLY TOLD Moshe Feiglin in 2000 in N.Y. that he was deluded and that you cannot kasher a pig, when most had not even heard of his and Shmuel Sackett's idea of "taking over the Likud from the inside"

At 12:22 PM, Blogger Shy Guy said...

HaDar, thank you for proving my point in your opening words. Indeed, Eldad is a Tzadik in S'dom who has accomplished nothing by sit in opposition for 12 years. You've told me nothing I don't already know about Eldad, whom I've met with personally on several occasions and joined in with him in several anti-government events.

If your worry is about sitting in a council of Leitzim, one shouldn't be sitting anywhere within a radius of 10 kilometers of the Knesset. The stench is no nicer in the building's auditorium than it is in the upper offices of the Metzudah.

You recall 2000. It's 12 years later and we could have taken over the Likud twice over already had people like you quit your whining with drashot of "Moshav Leitzim."

But go ahead. Toss your vote to the Tzadik Eldad. Like I said, it will make you feel happy and that's what's important obviously.

At 1:37 PM, Blogger HaDaR said...

The solution is REDUCING the strength of Likud, NOT INCREASING IT!
THREE FEIGLINS (the ones who are in the list in realistic places now) will NOT do anything among 40 Likud MKs, just as over HALF of the Likud MEMBERS, which Feiglin supported, was totally INCAPABLE OF STOPPING THE DEPORTATION OF THE JEWS FROM GAZA WANTED BY ITS BOSS SHARON!
It's was PITIFUL to see the POWERLESSNESS of a demonstration of hundreds of thousands in TLV a few years back...
Arutz 7 published a piece of mine then, may be take a look. I would re-write it:
Let's not bullshit one another!
In 2001 Likud won with 75-25 against Barak.
That same year its leader Sharon WROTE TO ME that he was not going to put a stop to the terrorists' shooting at the Jewish Community of Hebron from the Abu Snena Hills. HE WAS FORCED TO MOVE THE ARMY WHEN PEOPLE STARTED DYING LIKE FLIES!
Look where it got us: to DEPORT JEWS and CREATE the HAMASTAN IN GAZA.
That's what Feiglin has obtained until now!

At 1:40 PM, Blogger HaDaR said...

IN ANY CASE, I certainly prefer voting for a Tsaddiq like Eldad than for a RASH'À like Netanyahu who will AGAIN betray the National Camp, as he has done since 1996.
He is a LIAR, and he showed what he is made of in 1991, with the INFAMOUS performance of the "burning cassette" in front of David Levy.
The guys is just another smart lying cheater like Clinton!

At 1:43 PM, Blogger HaDaR said...

You say I am whining and you have NOTHING ELSE to show but a bunch of "we could have"... ?
If you didn't, it means that YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO.
It took you more than 12 years to get it? Better late than never...

At 4:11 PM, Blogger Shy Guy said...

Correct. We are not able to when people like yourself whine. Oh well. Misery loves company. Pass the popcorn. We'll all have a miserable time together these next few years.

At 6:07 PM, Blogger HaDaR said...

I have never whined nor I have anything to whine about.
Whining and fighting don't go together. And I am a fighter.
You, on the other hand, are BLAMING OTHERS for YOUR FAILURES. Nothing is more miserable than saying "We have not been bale to do this because you..."
You have all of my sympathy for the misery you mention, which is natural given the company you keep, that is the people you support: LIKUD are the ones who in 1979 INVENTED "legitimate rights" in OUR land for a NON-PEOPLE!!...the "original sin" of Camp David...and who, since then, haven't done ANYTHING GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY! Even building they have not been able to: Labour has built more houses in YeSh"A than Likud, and it has ALSO demolished less!
They will may be build another Arab state: and contribute even more to Israel's demise...

At 8:59 PM, Blogger Shy Guy said...

Good luck putting a stop to then from the outside. Look how successful you've been!


Everything you say is precisely why you need to enter the dragon's lair in order to slay it.

"Mi Lahashem Elai?" Thanks for answering the question. There! I can make up drooshes, too!

At 9:40 AM, Blogger HaDaR said...

I don't know if you know who Motti Karpel is, but it might interest everyone reading the following:
BTW: I WILL NOT vote for Bayit HaYehudí and certainly not for Likud.
My choice, in any case, will be ONLY among those approved by the Rabbis of Piquach Nefesh (see:
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/rav-ovadias-son-prohibits-vote-for-parties-pushing-2-state-solution/2013/01/07/ )


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