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Wednesday, March 09, 2011

IDF to shut elite brigade over loyalty to rabbis

Remember the IDF's Kfir Brigade? The IDF is considering shutting down this elite combat unit because they are 'too loyal' to their rabbis.
The Kfir Brigade, where Havat Gilad soldier who was sentenced to 30 Days in Prison, Private Shimon Weizman, served might be dismantled.

Ynet learned that two more recruits, who where asked on Tuesday whether or not they are faithful to their commander or to their rabbi - responding that their loyalty lies with the rabbi first and foremost – might be dismissed from the brigade. Other recruits serving in the same brigade said they will not allow the brigade commander to behave this way, threatening to organize a mutiny if necessary.
What they should have said is that their first loyalty is to God and His Torah.

The IDF has a concept of an order that is 'prima facie illegal' (bilti chuki ba'alil) and soldiers are taught that when they are given such an order, they are not to obey it (it's a legacy of the Nuremberg trials where many Nazis claimed they were 'just following orders'). It seems to me that for a Jewish state, an order that is clearly against the Torah ought to fit the bill.

The picture at the top is of a kid from the same town from which I immigrated to Israel who was thrown out of his unit for refusing to participate in the Gaza expulsion in 2005.

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At 7:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What they should have said is that their first loyalty is to God and His Torah.

How do you know they didn't say it?

Do you see any verbatim quotes?

This is YNet reporting and you want every accurate detail?

At 7:48 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Committed Jews will be banned frommserving. Committed Israelis either become Yordim, gay, transvestite singers or addicts. Who will be left to serve?

At 9:17 PM, Blogger Sunlight said...

Are these Rabbis like Priests? One of the most superb things about Judaism (in comparison to other faiths) is the concept of Rabbi-as-teacher, rather than Rabbi-as-G-d's-rep. So I would be wondering how Rabbi's turn up in the IDF chain of command... I would think they would teach their students well, then let the students decide things themselves...

At 9:33 PM, Blogger NormanF said...

Never trust Israel's leftist media.

By the time they shut down every brigade with national religious Jews serving in it, there won't be an IDF left to defend Israel.

I don't see that going anywhere. And Maj-Gen. Yaakov Armidror, a kippa wearing Jew, has just been named Netanyahu's neNational Security Advisor. Naturally, Haaretz is having a cow over it. You know, those dangerous kippa wearers are now everywhere!


At 8:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sunlight, why the antagonsim?

Rabbis are teachers but they are trusted by their students and their students' loyalty is very strong toward G-d and toward their rabbis' teachings. Students often choose the Yeshiva they're in based on the character and charisma of the head of the Yeshiva. Each yeshivat Hesder has its own reputation.

Norman, I place my money on Amirdror being a fig leaf appointment. Ask yourself why Netanyahu caused a brilliant strategist, Uzi Dayan, with decades of experience, to leave at such a critical time.

Get ready for Netanyahu's "Bar Ilan II" speech, coming right up!

I said it yesterday: it's Netanyahu that must go.

At 3:47 AM, Blogger Sunlight said...

Shy Guy, I for sure do not intend to be antagonistic! I grew up as a military brat and even families were expected to be with the program, or people would die. So, I'm trying to imagine running an op and having some refuse this or that. And then to have a third party not backing the commanders... Everyone sees the impossible situations Israel is faced with. From a distance, the Gaza process has shown the reality of the region and has left the leftists sounding anti-semitic in their prescriptions, building support for Israel. I could throw a match on the conversation by asking why such different reactions to figuring out regions/borders (with people needing to move - also as a military brat, we moved about every 2 yrs, so I'm less sympathetic to refusing to move to try to benefit the country) vs. the reaction people have (very little) to warcrime rockets shot onto civilians inside Israel... now that drives me up a wall...


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