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Thursday, January 17, 2013

Here comes the sun....

Here's a picture that I know many of you will enjoy....

Or as I always tell my sons when we arrive there during Succoth and Pesach for sunrise services, Barkai (link in Hebrew).

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At 4:28 PM, Blogger Hayosheiv B'Maariv said...

Beautiful picture. Now, how long after "neitz" does the sun "rise" above the mountain? And when they said Barkai did they say it at "neitz" or when the sun came over the mountain? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

At 4:37 PM, Blogger Will said...

Beautiful sight.

At 5:31 PM, Blogger Carl in Jerusalem said...

Hayosheiv B'Maariv,

You asked the right guy, because I've been a vathikin (sunrise) guy for the last 16.5 years (and off and on even before that when I was in Israel).

We use hanetz ha'nireh (visible sunrise) to fix the time, which is what you're seeing in the picture. No one in Jerusalem that I know about uses the 'astronomical' sunrise.

For sunset, we have a line on the calendar called 'Shkiya k'ilu Yerushalayim hi mishor' (sunset as if Jerusalem were flat). That time is about five minutes before ordinary sunset.

I understand that in the Beit Shemesh area, there is about a 15-minute difference between astronomical and visible sunrise. Most minyanim that I know of there use visible sunrise.

You might find this site of interest:


At 5:32 PM, Blogger Carl in Jerusalem said...

Hayosheiv B'Maariv,

Sorry, I left one question unanswered. According to the Mishna in Yoma, Barkai was said around the time of aloth ha'shachar (dawn). The word literally means 'morning star.'

At 1:16 AM, Blogger Sunlight said...

So beautiful! Makes me want to go visit again!


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