Why the UN was founded?
I haven't been able to verify it yet, but Mrs. Carl found a great quote about the UN from the Klausenberger Rebbe zt"l, R. Yekusiel Yehuda Halberstam, in a letter to Mishpacha Magazine this week. "When the UN was founded, the Klausenberger Rebbe ztz"l famously said that the reason Hashem [God] orchestrated its establishment was so that when Mashiach [Messiah] would come, many nations would claim that they loved Jews in order to protect themselves from Divine Justice, at which point Hashem would point to their dismal voting record on Israel, thereby proving them far from ohavei Yisrael [lovers of Jews]."It rings true. Anyone who can verify that the Rebbe said it would be much appreciated.
Labels: Klausenberger Rebbe, United Nations
posted by Carl in Jerusalem @ 10:43 AM
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The Klausenberger Rebbe, said in
Gedolei Torah al Hachzoras
Shtachim ) page 17
“If, chalila, you
appoint a gentile judge or one who is not your brother in Torah and mitzvos, he will rule that you are forbidden to dwell in Eretz Yisroel, which belongs to the poor Arabs who were expelled from here, and you must bring back all these Arabs and not touch anythingthat belonged to them.” And further on he writes: “The very existence of a live Jew is the greatest provocation to the goyim, not the land we live on.”
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That said remember, he was a survivor of the camps and it must have coloured his vision, though he survived.
To the liars who pretend that Palestinians do not exist, have forgotton history when Jews fought WITH Muslims to prevent Crusaders taking the land...hah didn't the Palestinians exist then? Such audacious history revising, the Rabbis even then ruled it was permissable for Muslims to hold title .......
The Islmaophboic cl***f**cks are so ignorant they do not even know their own history,
http://www.myshtetl.co.za/forum/general/land-peace-justified-halacha-and-if-so-has-it-has-been-proven-it-will-any-event-fail
Others object to handing over territories to non-Jews on the basis of Deuteronomy 7:1-2:
When the Lord your God brings you to the land that you are about to enter and possess, and He dislodges many nations before you... seven nations much larger than you... you must doom them to destruction, grant them no terms and have no mercy upon them ( lo tehonem ).
This is the simple meaning of " lo tehonem ", but the rabbis explained it to mean "do not give them a hold ( hanayah ) on the land" ( Avodah Zarah 20a). Tosafot ( ad loc. ) interpret this to mean that one may not sell or give parts of Eretz Yisrael to any non-Jew. This approach would rule out any territorial compromise.
However, many authorities rule that this prohibition applies only to idol worshippers such as the seven nations mentioned in the verse, lest they "turn your children away from me to worship other gods" (Deuteronomy 7:4). 7
Therefore, since Moslems are not idol worshippers, many authorities rule that it is permissible to sell or give them parts of Eretz Yisrael 8 and territorial concessions to Arabs would thus be permitted.
@Chayma: Erm, no... There were people there but there were no Arabs who identified themselves as a Palestinian People during the crusades. That is an utter fabrication - but assuming that you disagree with that... please provide some evidence!
Since actual evidence of an ancient Palestinian Arab people is not going to come, you might as well hear the truth: Palestinian Arabs have adopted a "Palestinian" identity only recently, The truth is that those who are often identified as Palestinians today have only recently adopted such a term for their identity. Furthermore, in their organisations such as the PLO they have always held that they are an indivisible part of the Arab nation - which incidentally is from Arabia and not the Levant (coastal plain).
chayma, every single person alive knows that arabs invaded and stole the land hundreds of years before the crusades and have been squatting on it ever since. how exactly would there be arabs there today if they hadn't? so what exactly is your point?
P.R,
Are you ignorant or what?
no not true, not stolen, the land was taken from the Byzantines, no genocide, as when the Israelis stole it from the Canaanites, with genocide.
And what do you mean by 'stolen' idiot? Are you in the US? Stolen is the land you're living on then, from the red indians,
Even Israel, had to be conquered, thus the 'divine' thing is meaningless, because as God told us in the Quran, he gives sovereignty to whom he wills, and whomever holds the land by HUMAN means (military or now through mutual agreement) is the rightful owner.
Before World War 2, any right to land anywhere since the beginning of time, was by conquest. No other way. You conquer you own. Plain and simple. The only reason we cannot do that today, is because the mutually agreed to do away with that. Thus now we have another way. UN.
Simple history lesson for an ignoramus.
Oh and even from a religious angle (yours) the land was given conditionally, not unconditionally. That the laws be kept. It wasn't meant to be a secular state. If it is, it will be under threat.
Something that Netanyahu, Ben Gurion and other religion hating 'zionists' omit to think of when they decide to play God. You cannot impose your religious beliefs on others.
Droid
*sigh*
Technically yes, but names and nationalities wasn't what i was talking about.
Borders and nationalities transcend...they won't exist, they are only temporary..and they will fall.
"no not true, not stolen, the land was taken from the Byzantines, no genocide, as when the Israelis stole it from the Canaanites, with genocide."
brilliant. good show. you acknowledge that the jews were there first, for nearly 2000 years before the arabs got there. thats pretty much all that needs to be said in this argument of who the land truly belongs to. argument closed.
P.R
Your acknowldedeglement does not show 'who truly owns' what. REad my post and understand, you appear to be extremely vapid.
The land truly belongs to whomever controls it. It so happens to be Israel today. Your mistake is in assuming it will always be so, becuase that is whom it 'truly belongs' to.
I hope you live to see the vapidness of that comment.
oh, i see. see even though the jews are the native people of the land, which you freely acknowledge, the land actually belongs to arabs. because the quran says so.
well if you can find a more credible source than a repulsive unholy book written by a dirty arab pedophile warlord murderer that sanctions wife abuse and chopping off people's hands for petty crimes, come back and post. until then, since your entire claim is based on nothing more than a stupid violent religion's words, the land clearly belongs to the jews.
i seriously cannot believe you expect anybody to take you seriously when all you can do is quote the copycat religion followed by the least evolved, least intelligent, and most backwards barbaric people in the world. what a joke.
P.R
since your entire claim is based on nothing more than a stupid violent religion's words, the land clearly belongs to the jews.
You have a history of false prophecies, of false Messiahs, and each time they led to destruction and you have the gall to throw mud at me.
As for belongs, and who belongs or what not...
well if you can find a more credible source than
Ignorant one, Stay tuned. If you were so sure you wouldn't need to be so insecure.
The US is most likely to do that.
The cretin above called P.R doesn't realise it's a matter of time before the US diverts a base from Bahrain to target Israel.
The clueless bum, who problably lives of American handouts, thinks the cause is an Islamic one, the blinkered dolt, who when not schnorring should do some research.
The worlds Christians are pro Palestinian, and the Evangelical right wing in the US, (as Stephen Walt predicted in his book The Israel Lobby) will realise they are misguided.
Arabs in America who are at the forefront of pro Palestinian activity are Christian Arabs. The UK Anglican, churches, are pro Sabeel, they are all Christian and their influence extends to all Christian countries worldwide
Yet this stupid, idiotic, illiterate shtetl dwelling cretin sees bashing Islam as the solution.
America is a majority Christian nation, as this fool will discover when American bombs are raining on him.
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Christians for Palestine
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/97155/christians-for-palestine/
A vocal majority of evangelical Christians are zealous supporters of Israel. But a growing movement seeks to align them with the Palestinian cause.
By Lee Smith|April 18, 2012
For most American Jews and Israelis, evangelical Christians are synonymous with zealous, biblically inspired support of the Jewish state—so zealous, in fact, that it makes some Jews uneasy. But the days when Israel could count on unconditional support from evangelicals may be coming to an end.
Last month, a conference convened in Bethlehem by Palestinian activists and Christian clergy long at odds with the Jewish state managed to bring a number of leading lights from the evangelical community in North America and Europe to the Holy Land. Many of the speeches at the conference touched on themes that one would commonly hear at a BDS teach-in, like blaming the entire Middle East conflict on Israel’s occupation and the settlements.
Indeed, the name of the conference, Christ at the Checkpoint, is indicative of the different direction this segment of the evangelical movement is heading toward. The idea is that evangelicals should rethink their support for a state that occupies another people and oppresses them. Once they get the full story, conference organizers hope, Western evangelicals may find they have more in common with the downtrodden Palestinians than with the Israelis.
To pro-Israel evangelicals and Zionists who were paying attention, Christ at the Checkpoint was a wake-up call. The larger trend, which for want of a better phrase might be called the pro-Palestinian evangelical movement and is indeed spearheaded by Palestinian Christians, is already changing minds. Giving them momentum are money raised in the United States, theology, and perhaps most important of all, a movie. The documentary film With God on Our Side is leaving many former pro-Israel evangelicals wondering why they never heard the Palestinian side of the story.
Many friends of Israel, as well as Israelis, have long been concerned that evangelical support is premised largely on self-interest of an especially macabre nature. Israel, in this reading, is ground zero for the apocalypse: Before Christ can return to Earth, the Jews must return to Israel and the Temple must be restored, ushering in first a time of tribulation and then a reign of peace.
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Though the vast majority of evangelicals still maintain that support, for the first time since the establishment of Israel in 1948, there is an increasingly heated debate in the evangelical community that may augur a shift in the political winds. And if the Christ at the Checkpoint camp wins out, the pro-Israel Jewish community that once looked warily upon evangelical support may come to regard that movement with nostalgia.
"You have a history of false prophecies, of false Messiahs, and each time they led to destruction and you have the gall to throw mud at me."
/eyeroll.
actually, what we have is historical, archaeological, forensic, and scientific evidence that the land belongs to us, while all you have is your fairy tales.
"Ignorant one, Stay tuned. If you were so sure you wouldn't need to be so insecure.
The US is most likely to do that."
*snicker* insecure? about what? do you really think anybody is scared of a mass of stone age sheiks and peasants? nobody respects the muslims, let alone is insecure over them. the only reason the PC crowd even focusses on them is because they believe them to be so primitive and inferior they should be "protected". so yeah, we are all trembling and insecure over the retarded holy book that keeps the muslims in the stone age. riiiight.
P.R babbles:
well if you can find a more credible source than a repulsive unholy book written by a dirty arab pedophile warlord murderer that sanctions wife abuse
A bad case of projection.
This semit literate cretin won’t be able to explain why anyone would want to copy a second hand religion rooted in paganism borrowed from Akhenaten which has all the things he accuses Islam of having and worse, including child sacrifice, wife abuse, sex from age 3 with little girls, legalised rape, genocide,
Anybody who wants to see how badly this cretin projects, should consult Daat Emet, an Israeli site run by Rabbis who left Judaism
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Pedophilia in Halacha
http://www.daatemet.org/questions/index.cfm?MESSAGEID=2537
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http://mistrealm.com/Akhenaton/Akhenaton.html
in The idea of Akhenaten as the pioneer of monotheistic religion that later became Judaism has been considered by some scholars. One of the first to mention this possibility was Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis, in his book Moses and Monotheism, Freud argued that Moses had been an Atenist priest forced to leave Egypt with his followers after Akhenaten's death. Freud argued that Akhenaton was striving to promote monotheism, something that the biblical Moses was able to achieve.
Interestingly, Akhenaten appears in history almost two centuries before the first archaeological and written evidence for Judaism and Israelite culture is found.
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P.R shows his/her intellectual level when of he accuses Islam of copying Judaism when it’s actually the other way round..
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1999/1/Great%20Rabbis%20of%20the%20Muslim%20Empire
. Yet, ironically, as the influence of the Babylonian academies spread, it became clear that the Talmud was simply too vast to transmit. To address this problem, the Geonim employed a technique newly developed in the Muslim world: codification. Of the innovations that the rabbinic world inherited from the Muslim empire, this probably had the greatest impact.
Maimonides completed A-Siraj (The Beacon - clarification), his commentary on the Mishna, before he was 20. Written in Arabic, it is essentially a summary of the Talmudic understanding of the Mishna the primary code of halacha,
codified in the Land of Israel in the third century.
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P.R Babbles
more than a stupid violent religion's words, the land clearly belongs to the jews.
if the land ‘belongs to the Jews’ why Jews are living in the USA, and around the world. Nor why so many Israelis emigrate Israel and WANT to leave and emigrate. Either Israel is a country like every other or it is not. If it is not, it will not exist. Period.
The US will only permit this rogue to survive as it is now, for a while before it faces military wrath.
As for your comment on the surrounding nations, being unfruitful, that is a lie, aside from everything we gave to humanity over 1400 years (Islam created the Western world) you forget we sit on vast reserves of oil (put there by God) thus again your rhetoric against Islam is a waste,
Oh and P.R, you pretend that Islam is the threat, when the Christian world is pro Palestinian, and the reason is becuase you get a few scraps thown your way for the illegal settlements from US Evangelicals. Thus you pretend that they represetn Christianity. They do not.
(Sami Kuntar is a Druze, and George Habash is a Christian, and most Western Protestant and Christian Churches, and Churches around the world are pro Palesltinian and would support the US in any war against Israel) as I said above, Sabeel is a Christian movement, Christian Arabs in the US have the support of the churches which are gaining prominence as Evangelicals are dumping Israel (see above)
So, the bottom line is, the US would nuke Israel rendering your so called battle against Islam a futility.
The US is a Christian nation.
behold chayma, so unintelligent that all he can do is post endless spam.
its utterly ridiculous to use "oil" as a reason God likes you. *snicker*. sorry you dumbass, but do you think oil is only to be found under the middle east? moron, there's oil all over the world, my own country has the second highest amount of oil reserves in the world, and we are nowhere that that craphole muslim continent. it certainly has nothing to do with you being muslim that there is oil there.
and apparently "allah" favours muslims so much that he puts oil under their feet, so that a tiny percentage of arab tyrants can reap all the profits and live in luxury, while oppressing and abusing 99.9999% of actual muslims. gee, it sounds more like "allah" hates, not loves the muslims. i am sure glad "allah" doesn't "favour" westerners this way.
of course the only reason the middle east, which is the least productive region in the world, has any money at all is definitely from oil. in the near future, when the world moves away from oil, even that won't be there for them to rely on. you're gonna be even more in the stone age than you are today. so in the end, your argument is that "allah" has blessed muslims with oil, even though out of thousands of years of history oil will only be important for a short flicker of time, and even though during that short flicker of time when it COULD have helped the muslims, instead it was used to keep muslims oppressed and beaten by a few tyrants.
logic is not strong with you, is it?
on the other hand, our God has blessed us with gifts that are everlasting through all times and generations - intelligence, skill, progressiveness, technology, freedom, and self improvement. and on top of that, we have oil too. so you don't have any blessing from God - WE do.
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