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posted by Carl in Jerusalem @ 10:29 AM
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Who paid Wafa Sultan to make this speech and where? All of these Islamophobes belong to the same group, are funded and propogated by the same people, with an identical agenda.
There are countless websites on the internet, that debunk this fraud of a “reformer” How can she reform Islam when she is not a Muslim?
Wafa Sultan was born an Alawite, who are wannabe Muslims, and are considered apostates in Islam because they associate partners with God. Kinda like the same status that Messianics (wannabe Jews ) have in Judaism.
Ironically, Alawites do not consider women to have a soul, and only consider men worthy of knowledge.
In Syria, the ruling Alawites are anything but Muslim, Hafez al Assad had a Baathist regime. Perhaps the biggest hypocricy of her speech is when she says she grew up under Sharia law, and talks of it’s brutality, when the truth is 20,000 members of the Muslim Brotherhood were murdered in Hama, by the ALAWITE BAATHIST REGIME.
How did she complete her degree in the University of Aleppo if women are oppressed and she wants people to use her own example?
It’s understandable that an alawite turned atheist woman who found a way to get paid to vent her feelings of rejection should resort to sheer opportunistic lying to make a fast buck.
Less understandable...
The Rambam as Revealed Through His Teshuvot (Responsa)
http://www.manfredlehmann.com/sieg96.html
In his Iggeret Teman the Rambam goes so far as to say that the Moshiach will come when Islam is widely spread throughout the world.
Wah! Wah! Wah!
Muslima Chayma can't stand it when former Muslims tell her ilk where to get off and warn the rest of us what's in store if we don't kick Islam out of the civilized world.
Wah! Wah! Wah!
Who paid Wafa Sultan? Not the Saudis, who pay the university "scholars" you love to quote on behalf of your religion of beasts and barbarians.
Muslima Chayma sounds more like Haneen Zoabi with every post she makes.
Wah! Wah! Wah!
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The Rambam as Revealed Through His Teshuvot (Responsa)
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You ignoramus! The whole purpose of the Igeret Teyman (Yemen) was to console the Jews of Yemen because of the brutality if your Islamotard ancestors who were butchering and threatening the Jews of Yemen day in and day out.
You stupid ass! You could not have picked a more appropriate subject to fumble upon.
Everyone else can read a synopsis of Maimonides responsa, including the history behind them, here:
The Rambam: Responsa
You’re the ignoramus Shy Guy. Whilst it's easy to see why you'd get orgasmic over Wafa Sultan, the rest of your post including the link from Chabad, discredits your own words.
What was quoted by the Lehmann's had nothing to do with the Al Mohad’s who arose during Maimonades time. They were the exception in Islmaic history rather than the rule. Fanatical rulers were rare, and the Rambam happened to live through one such time.
The (Iggeret Teiman) was the Rambam’s response to Rabbi Fayoumi, who complained about a false Jewish Messiah, who arose among a community who were already living under a fanatical ruler at that time. He was telling Yemeni Jews to convert to Islam, saying it had superseded Judaism. That is not traditional Islamic belief. It’s ironic you take the trash from your own community and blame Islam for it.
The Epistle Concerning Yemen
Their agony was compounded by a Jewish apostate who embraced Mohammedanism. To demonstrate his zeal for his newly adopted faith, he began preaching to the Jewish communities that Mohammed was a divinely sent prophet alluded to in the Bible and that Islam was a new, divinely revealed religion superseding Judaism. Hence, the apostate argued, the Jews should yield to the ruler's demand and embrace Mohammedanism. Furthermore, at just about this time, an impostor appeared proclaiming himself to be the Messiah, adding to the confusion of the poor wretched masses. Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi turned to Rambam for advice and counsel.
Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon addressed a letter to this sage, and through him to the entire Jewish population of Yemen.
Everyone else can read a synopsis of Maimonides responsa, including the history behind them, here:
Yes, your trashy false messiah’s beliefs were recognised as not being Islamic by the Rambam,
He contemptuously dismissed and disproved the assertion that Judaism has been supplanted by Islam and showed that the claim that Mohammed is alluded to in the Bible is based upon nonsensical interpretations recognized as such even by the Moslems themselves.
Rambam advised that the self-proclaimed Messiah is nothing but an impostor and no doubt a madman.
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The epistle accomplished its purpose - the Yemenite Jews remained faithful to their religion in the face of their bitter suffering. Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon used his influence at the court of Saladin in Egypt to intervene in their behalf, and the persecution came to an end.
Epic fail, Shy Guy. You discredit yourself by what you brought. Not least because it didn’t refute what Lehmann said. And ultimately, it was mainstream Islam (Saladin’s court) where the Rambam excercised his influence to free the Yemenites from persecution from one of your own trashy false Messiah’s (who upon conversion to Islam became more Muslim than the Muslims and distorted our texts) , making a mockery of your Islamophobic claims.
Epic fail.
Oh.... now fanatical rule by Muslims is "rare", says Muslima Chayma. Yep, nothing fanatical about the 100s of years of Islamic wars and conquests against every country, from Spain, France, North Africa, to Persia, Iraq, the Caucasus, India and China and more. Nothing but a history of conquest, death destruction and slavery.
You're disgusting!
Shy Guy, what are you disgusted about? Islamic rule was legendary for it’s tolerance. Don’t spew revisionist history, everybody knows what the truth is. Even the universities in Israel teach so So much for your Saudi dollars payoff:)
To make your case you will bring some lying f*** up BS by any of the following wannabe scholars of Islamic history:
robert spencer
andrew bostom
bat yeor
and never any credible voice.
The Islamic conquests had the hand of God behind them, they were the most spectacular conquests in history. Empires and nations fell when we had no armies or weapons. It was a faith in God that led them, nothing else.
By the way, Saudi dollars didn't exist when these men wrote:
Michael the Elder (Great) as Quoted in 'Michael the Elder, Chronique de Michael Syrien, Patriarche Jacobite d’ Antioche,' J.B. Chabot, Editor, Vol.
II, Paris, 1901.
"This is why the God of vengeance, who alone is all-powerful, and changes the empire of mortals as He will, giving it to whomsoever He will, and uplifting the humble beholding the wickedness of the Romans who throughout their dominions, cruelly plundered our churches and our monasteries and
condemned us without pity, brought from the region of the south the sons of Ishmael, to deliver us through them from the hands of the Romans. And if in truth we have suffered some loss, because the Catholic churches, that had
been taken away from us and given to the Chalcedonians, remained in their possession; for when the cities submitted to the Arabs, they assigned to each denomination the churches which they found it to be in possession of (and at that time the great churches of Emessa and that of Harran had been
taken away from us); nevertheless it was no slight advantage for us to be delivered from the cruelty of the Romans, their wickedness, their wrath and cruel zeal against us, and to find ourselves at people.
(Michael the Elder,
Jacobite Patriarch of Antioch wrote this text in the latter part of the twelfth century, after five centuries of Muslim rule in that region.
Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.
"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which
can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."
It is estimated that Islamic agression has led to the slaughter of somewhere between 250 million to 300 million people since its inception.
Religion of peace and tollerance your ass!
lol
and your proof Shy Guy? How could I have missed this?
Just make sure your sources are peer accredited scholars, and not the paid whores you like to use :)
Go to a library, ignoramus Muslima. Try reading books from the early 20th century and before, including historical diaries written by the Muslim butchers who themselves did the conquering.
Incidentally, Muslima Chayma, if you're going to reference Manfred Lehmann with regard to Islam, don't be skimpy on the links. From Islam and Judaism, part I:
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The hostility of Islam to infidels -- Christians and Jews -- seems to be irrevocable. The epithets of hatred and hostility found again and again in Moslem writings and speeches signal an irreversible heritage and tradition of to-the-death fight against non-Moslems, especially Jews. Even serious Moslem theologians are so hate-filled when they speak or write about Jews, that they exceed the ferocious excesses of the Nazi hate mongers. In the publication of the proceedings of a Conference of the Academy of Islamic Research, a large number of Moslem professors and clergymen called the Jews some of the following appellations: "Jews are filled with perfidy and evil," "intolerant and cruel," "notorious for covetousness, avarice and bad manners," "hard-hearted and sinful," "criminals," "wicked and deceitful," "corrupt, treacherous, merciless, evil, unjust," "impudent" and so it goes on and on.
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This is the Islamic smut and vitriol you, Muslima Chayma, try to pass of as peaceful and enlightening. Back to the dunes of Arabia you all need to go!
Perhaps, Muslima Chayma, you'll start whining about who paid Manfred Lehmann? That's about the low level of your tactics. Wah! Wah! Wah!
Shy Guy
What is this?
You jump from the Islamic conquests and the numbers of people killed supposedly 250 million, to modern day anti semitism? I asked you to bring sources confirming the numbers of dead that Muslims are supposedly responsible for (according to Islamophobes) I await those figures. I already know you won't apologise and retract for misinformation. You're too impotent to be a real man :)
Lehmann, is not a historian in Islamic history. He wrote his own thoughts, coloured by recent events, and the threats he sees. I did ask you to bring sources from historians, CONFIRMING THE NUMBERS OF DEAD THAT YOU CLAIM, when you talk of Islamic history. Lehmann does not qualify for speaking on Islamic history. Even if he said that there were no deaths, it would not mean anything as he is not a historian.
In any case, regarding what Lehmann said, it's understandable, considering he was talking of modern times, and his own fears and the threats he sees. Nobody denies, that since the last 100 years or so, there is a lot of anti Jewish sentiment, since the creation of Israel, and the subsequent events. No need to go into that, I don't deny that.
I should've known Wafa Sultan would make Chayma freak out completely. Hearing the truth from a former Muslim was just too much to bear.
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