Hamas sponsors mass wedding for little girls
Hamas sponsored a mass wedding on Wednesday night for '450 couples.'Hamas dignitaries including Mahmud Zahar, one of the militant group's top leaders, were on hand to congratulate 450 grooms who took part in the carefully stage-managed event.Now I have raw video of the event, and I want you to pay close attention to the 'brides' - especially as they walk in with the 'grooms' around the 4:00 mark. There is no way that any of these little girls - half the heights of their husbands - is more than 10 years old.
"We are saying to the world and to America that you cannot deny us joy and happiness," Zahar told the men, all of whom were dressed in identical black suits and hailed from the nearby Jabalia refugee camp.
Each groom received a present of 500 dollars from Hamas, which said its workers had also contributed five percent of their monthly salaries to add to the wedding gift.
The 450 brides shared none of the glamour, taking seats among the audience of around 1,000 party guests: most couples had already taken part in religious ceremonies elsewhere, with more marriages planned for the next few days.
"We are presenting this wedding as a gift to our people who stood firm in the face of the siege and the war," local Hamas strongman Ibrahim Salaf said in a speech.
Let's go to the videotape.
There's very little question about it: The brides are a bunch of pre-pubescent girls.
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A lot of people have questioned whether the girls in the video are really the brides. Wearing white and heavily made up, they sure look like brides to me.
Those people who claim they are not brides question why I have not taken the post down. Well, unlike the web sites of certain Presidential campaigns, I don't believe in flushing my mistakes down the memory hole, if I was mistaken.
But I'm not convinced I was mistaken. There have been enough instances of marriage with young girls in the Muslim world to make the scenario more than plausible. And there is no question that the men in the suits are the grooms.
This post has gotten thousands of hits since Friday afternoon. If someone in an official position in Gaza wanted to deny it, they have had more than ample opportunity to do so.
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posted by Carl in Jerusalem @ 5:27 PM
41 Comments:
Hamas in other words, is a sick, perverted bunch of pedophiles. And these are the sterling characters for whom the world wants to set up a state?
Disgusting!
they are just following in the path of mohammed, who married a 6 year old
they are all good muslims
This is what American aid is going to support? When will the liberals in America wake up and stop being Islamic apologists? They are still fighting the ideological battles of the 1960s and fail to realize that they have become "THE MAN" that they so vehemently fought against back then.
I do not believe this is correct.
First of all, last night's mass wedding was done by Islamic Jihad, not Hamas.
More importantly, the girls are not the brides. Islamic Jihad hired kindergarten children - both boys and girls - to dance and help celebrate the occasion, and these girls were part of that. The men would not hold hands with their brides.
You can try to puzzle out the autotranslation at http://74.125.113.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=windows-1256&langpair=ar|en&u=http://paltoday.com/arabic/News-53772.html&tbb=1&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiJaHhJYXaen3Zy6DBI2Q1MZMBBJQ , but clearly the girls in that picture are dressed as brides but they are only play-acting.
Let's make sure that our accusations about these reprehensible groups are accurate before we make them, or else it can boomerang on us and make us all look bad. We know there are lots of child marriages in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states but I haven't heard about many in the Arab nations surrounding Israel, and it is unlikely that there would be a mass wedding with so many child brides or else there would be a tumult from the more liberal Arabs.
Shame on you for this propaganda! The video you showed are the little sisters and cousins of the grooms, escorting them to their real brides. See the portion of the video this blogger is hiding.
See the real brides in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
Why do you do this? Do you really hate your fellow humans so much?
The only problem with your post is that these were not the brides. They were dressed in black, with headscarves and sat in the audience with the other women.
Do we get an apology?
I can't watch that. That is sick beyond words. Those poor little kids have no idea whatb they are in for.
What a disgusting bunch of cretins. By the way, translations would have been nice.
And our apologist in chief believes we need to talk with them. What a disgusting bunch of cretins.
Robert took it down (he grabbed it from Atlas). Words is these were bridesmaids not brides.
Anyone know anything further.
Gee, I wonder what all those pro-terrorism lefties will say about that?
This is horrifying.
Legalized, institutionalized pedophilia. No normal man would think was a good thing.
Those poor little girls.
When I see perverts like this, the words "sustained automatic weapons fire" comes to mind.
Some bloggers report that they are just flower girls, not the brides. What's the word, is this for real or is this a false alarm?
Yes, but then again, the prophet himself fucked a nine year old, who he married when she was SIX YEARS OLD.
The prophet is 100 procent good, he fucked little girls! lets imitate him (pukes a bucket full)
Once, the prophet adopted a son. How nice. That son had a wife. a nice wife. Prophet wanted wife. But it was wife of adopted son. no problem. Ask adopted son to divorce wife. Then marrie her. How nice. Marrying your (adopted) sons wife is 'normal' for a MAD PROPHET
Let a muslim explain this.
a) fucking little girls is wrong
b) the prophet fucked little girls
c) that makes the prophet a -good example or a -bad example???
stupid fucking muslimfacists
they follow blindly, a monster, a pedophile, a murderer, because they have no brain of their own, no own thoughts. All they can do, is quote FROM THE FUCKING QURAN.
Prove these little girls were the brides. Or apologize. Not that you will, of course. That would wreck your agenda.
Not a single item about Israel or Jews on the US Consulate in Jerusalem's website, all Palestinian. Volkswagen vans
Is Tim Marshall right? Is it true that the little girls are not the brides but cousins and nieces?
I see that Jihad Watch, Atlas Shrugs and Tundra Tabloid (http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2009/08/tundra-tabloids-yanks-story-on-hamas.html ) have taken the story down.
If the little girls were not the brides, please explain to me 1) where the real brides were: there wasn't a single shot of even slightly older young women (and pleas spare us the usual crap about Muslim modesty: the brides had to show up at one point to be wed in the collective ceremony; they could hardly have performed it without them), and 2) why there was a long line of young men each holding the hand of a little girl going together to the mass wedding. Each needed his own little flower girl? Muslim custom, I assume? It's time for all the apologists and deniers to face the fact that some aspects of Muslim culture are simply repulsive. A culture that condones pedophilia is either sick or very primitive. There is no way around it.
How many nephews and nieces would you say 450 man and 450 woman would have? in gaza? Would some of the girls be dressed up as brides? as is the case in many western marriages, the so called 'bridesmades'?
http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=bruidsmeisjes
none of these little girls are getting married. They are bridesgirls.
Take a look at the event discription. 450 woman, in the audience, being the brides. Take a look at 1:02+. See them? how old are they. How many of them do you see. Couple of hundred? Now look at the 'brides' coming in. How many are there? dozen or so? and who is holding their hands? their fathers? their oncles? their older brothers? could it be? could it be the 12 richest gaza-strippers dressed up their smallest niece as bridesmaides, even made them a special outfit and all? to show all, how well they are doing? and would the entering of them in a row not be filmed?
sure. Mohammed was a pedophile, aisha was only six when she 'married' him, and nine when he consumated the marriage. And yes, in some areas of islam, children are still being raped 'legally' in name of islam.
But these girls appear to me, as bridal girls-not brides.
Mohammed was an evil pedophile. Spread the word! but dont use lies and deception to 'win' someones heart and mind. It will only work against you in the future, because no one will give you any credit anymore.
It does nothing for either child protection or public relations on behalf of Israel to make accusations on the basis of mis-reading somebody else's wedding ceremony.
A cursory google of the news sources for 'Hamas wedding" shows that they have been organizing weddings since at least 2005, and yes, there are pictures of older brides because they aren't short of older widows.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4727291.stm
The brides photographed by the BBC are wearing the Hamas-preferred black robes with a green scarf, but the video cited by Gael also shows at least one who went for a traditional garb based on a white hooded cloak and thin veil.
The weddings are also pointed comments at Fatah, intended to show that Hamas is organizing aid where as Fatah is pocketing it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/world/middleeast/31gaza.html?_r=1
As a technique, it's been very successful at attracting support to Hamas and away from Fatah. They have segmented their target voters, including a programme to get brides for the disabled who might otherwise find it hard to arrange a marriage, husbands for widows, and brides for the unemployed youths in refugee camps, including those such as one in Syria.
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=25102&docId=l:1012108250&start=9
If you have evidence of child abuse, then present it. Otherwise, don't use lurid fantasy to make your point as it will discredit you when it is exposed, and will only strengthen Hamas' hand.
Lief and Raf: it's a good thing that you're willing to admit that Mohammed was a pedophile, but you still have not provided any evidence that the men shown as grooms were marrying young women older than the heavily made-up little girls. Why wasn't there a single shot of these young men with their purported older brides? What you describe as the real brides being lost in the crowd is unconvincing at best and obfuscating at worst. More importantly though, even if it turns out later that you are correct and that these little girls were really just bridesmaids rather than the brides themselves, I hope you will have learned the lessons of propagating false information, as Hamas and Fatah routinely do (remember the false Jenin massacre and the Mohammed Al Dura killing, just to mention two famous Palestinian lies that were uncovered later?). To me, the main lesson is that whatever information comes from the Palestinians cannot be trusted, and must be checked and re-checked carefully each time before establishing whether it's the truth... or just another lie in a long series of lies. I wish more journalists would understand that.
I have provided a series of verifiable links which show how Hamas has used the techniques of arranging marriages to strengthen its position. It does not need to coerce children; it has enough women of marriagable age who want to hitch up with husbands. Such marriages are likely to quickly produce off-spring, and Hamas approves of larger families if at all possible.
Kindly refer to the post provided by Tim Marshall, Sky News, who originated the report and has spent days trying to stop people getting the wrong end of the stick.
http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:dcc9d723-8046-4857-b618-5c1135ba6417
The girls are bridesmaids, not brides. It's a party to celebrate a wedding, and the girls lead the men in. You know, the way uncles sometimes dance with nieces and it doesn't mean anything other than dancing.
There is such a thing as child abuse, there is such a thing as children being traded in forms of marriage. The subject is far too serious to be used as a general purpose smear. To do so only benefits Hamas by allowing it to present itself as a libelled party.
I'm an IRANIAN and want to tell u want khomeini had to say about this"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.however he shouldn't penetrate vaginaly but sodomising is acceptable.if a man does penetrate and damage the child then he should provide her food all her life.this girl won't count as one of his 4 wives and the man can't marry the girl's sister.."translated from TAHRIROLVASILEH 4th edition 1990 by KHOMEINI" this is his book of Sharia you go figure just google this book there is lot more
they are doing exactly as their pedophile prophet and leader ordered them to do.we're sick of these mindless barbars in Iran and are going to get rid of them.
Islam was indeed founded by a documented husband of a child (to put it very tactfully). But I think there's negligible chance that so many Palestinian men are sufficiently sexually deviant that they would prefer to marry these children rather than their older sisters. But what is most striking is how very un-oppressed and happy the Gaza residents are, in contrast to the international media picture of them living under great oppression by Israel.
Whether this story is accurately reported or not is irrelevant. Child brides in islam is a reality that muslims either have to face or quit trying to justify it.
It is now being reported that this story is false.
The story is false. The girls are flower girls. Child brides are all over the world, including the United States. Ever heard of the Mormons? Islam has many, many flaws, including early marriage of girls. But now that we know this story to be false we should focus on the abuse of women's right all over the world, not just in Gaza!
Carl,
as of August 20 a lot of websites that hosted the video or linked to you are now having second thoughts.
They are now saying that it is not really a wedding. Well, what is it then? Why are the little girls wearing white gowns?? What are the Arabs celebrating if not a wedding?? Why are some of the cars decorated as if for a wedding? If not a wedding what is it??
I suggest that one way to solve the issue would be to get somebody who knows spoken Arabic to watch the video and give a translation of what is being said. Further, you should find out if the songs are wedding songs.
I still think that it was a wedding. If not, what then?
Why don't you visit the site http://ziontruth.blogspot.com which is my site??
please also see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYmtaXQHEtw&feature=fvw
related to the same ceremony!
Para el menturoso
En 9:11 PM, Gael dijo ...
¡Qué vergüenza para esta propaganda!
Ver las novias reales en este video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
EL LINK QUE MUESTRAS ES DEL 3 MARZO, ES UNA BODA DIFERENTE, LOS MUSULMANES MENTIS MAS QUE COMEIS, PERO LA GENTE NO ES IMBECIL
For the liar Gael
At 9:11 PM, Gael said ...
Shame on this propaganda!
See real girlfriends in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
SAMPLES IS THE LINK TO THE MARCH 3, IS A DIFFERENT WEDDING, THE MUSLIMS lie more than eat, but people are not an idiot.
Mass Wedding **For Dummies**
The actual Muslim wedding is known as a nikah. It is a simple ceremony, at which ****THE BRIDE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PRESENT SO LONG AS SHE SENDS TWO WITNESSES**** to the drawn-up agreement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/ritesrituals/weddings_1.shtml
Mass Wedding **For Dummies**
The actual Muslim wedding is known as a nikah. It is a simple ceremony, at which ****THE BRIDE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PRESENT SO LONG AS SHE SENDS TWO WITNESSES**** to the drawn-up agreement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/ritesrituals/weddings_1.shtml
When this video came out, I thought it was disgusting. Then I learned later by reading other international media in 4 other languages including french and Spanish media, that these little girls were not the brides, that this was a massive wedding for widows of hamas. I did my homework and proved more than enough that the information that was placed here is incorrect.
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Contemporary_Pedophilic_Islamic_Marriages
A marriage of this type is completely legal and halal in Islam.
Maybe the little girls were the brides, maybe they were not. Its near impossible to trust what a Muslim says because of TAQIYYA and KITMAN. Everything a Muslim says needs to be verified by a non-Muslim or its unreliable [that's just the way Islam rules are, lying is not only permitted but required, TAQIYYA and KITMAN].
Mr. Matzav, what a twisted world view you have. Your source article makes no mention of child brides, and furthermore, the actual author of the article has posted an update refuting all claims of child brides.
You are either completely ignorant and illiterate for not having seen the clear discrepancies in your story, or otherwise are consciously garnishing an innocent story with details to promote your own agenda.
Attitudes like yours are the reason that wars are fought in the name of God and Religion.
You publish blatant misinformation and promote hatred towards your fellow humans.
As an orthodox Jew you should already know that the Muslims worship the same God as you. The god of Abraham and Isaac.
Furthermore, as a Jew you should also be sensitive to people spreading lies and prejudices based on nothing but religion or culture. Some of us remember the atrocities committed in the name of Religion and would not like it to happen again.
Shame on you.
As for the rest of the hate mongers, read a credible source and you'll find that the world is often far different than most people claim it to be.
that's a big fat lie, i saw the real event on aljazeera mubasher, and i saw the ladies wearing white dresses and covered up on the stage, those little girls were escorting the grooms, it happens in the weddings, they dress up little children like the bride and groom.
and FYI, in islam, one of the conditions of marriage in islam is puberty.
and I wonder why the non-muslims didn't criticize muhammad at that time when he married Aisha?
They could've sabotaged his reputation and proved his prophethood wrong..since as you claim "he rapid the little girl"
by the way, my grandfather married my grandmother after her first period, when she was 13, and her mother had her period when she was 9.. and she got married at that age..
but whom i talking to?
This woman is a Moslim and look what SHE has to say...
Child sex normal in Islam and Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3vfDhPTIk&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
Child marriage(RAPE) IS 100% SUPPORTED BY ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BWP9MYDHDk&feature=related
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Raping Women is O.K...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgKcFXfRA0&feature=related
This woman is a Moslim and look what SHE has to say...
Child sex normal in Islam and Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3vfDhPTIk&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
Child marriage(RAPE) IS 100% SUPPORTED BY ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BWP9MYDHDk&feature=related
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Raping Women is O.K...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgKcFXfRA0&feature=related
This woman is a Moslim and look what SHE has to say...
Child sex normal in Islam and Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3vfDhPTIk&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVFpP0LBJM
Child marriage(RAPE) IS 100% SUPPORTED BY ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BWP9MYDHDk&feature=related
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Raping Women is O.K...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgKcFXfRA0&feature=related
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