Video: 'Tensions' at Berlin conference to give more handouts to 'Palestinians'
Six days since the ceasefire went into effect Kassam rockets slammed into the Negev town of Sderot. Two people were lightly wounded and a house damaged. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack after one of its senior commander and a gunman were killed in gunbattles with Israeli security forces in Nablus earlier in the day.The raid took center stage at a conference in Berlin where tensions remained high. Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad declared that such raids in the West Bank must stop. Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni retorted that while Israel is willing to make compromises it will not settle for a future Palestinian state as its neighbor if it is not a reposnible partner in peace.When will the world recognize that the 'Palestinians' have no interest in 'two states living side-by-side in peace?'
posted by Carl in Jerusalem @ 4:40 PM
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Carl, Livni is playing this game right. What must transpire next is for the government of Israel to widely publicize the failure of the 'palis' to uphold their end of a simple truce. It must be pointed out that they cannot be relied upon to uphold their end of a truce.
With every rocket fired, every morter launched, Israel must, for the moment, restrain itself from responding militarily, but must go on an all out diplomatic offensive. This offensive has to point out that the 'palis' are fundamentally incapable of keeping their word. The latest violation of a cease fire demonstrates it. No matter how many cease fires get set up, the 'palis' will always violate them. It is in there nature.
This must be made clear, and must be said loudly, repeatedly, and to all the powers around. Even some of Israel's erstwhile "friends" like Russia must be brought around to this point of view.
Once this view, which is obviously true, becomes the norm, solutions to the conflict will take a different form when Israel suggests working with Jordan to take the 'palis' on the west bank as citizens. Don't cede the land, but cede the 'palis'. Let them become Jordanian. They don't even have to move. 'Palis' in refugee camps outside Israel or Judea and Samaria are to be re-settled by the UN. UNRWA goes away.
Gaza will be harder. Give them a choice of Egyptian citizenship or Jordanian.
After this is done, there is no more 'palis' problem.
But to get here, the game has to continue. Livni appears to be making the right moves, but she has to make more of them. Pro-active diplomacy.
Kranky, Israeli governments have not recognized reality since Oslo was launched. Its all a game of make pretend. What makes you think they will begin (or whenever they do wake up) to doing things differently? The truth is the Palestinians have no use for agreements with the infidel Jews much less than reconciliation with them. That's why all the talk of a Palestinian state alongside Israel will remain (thank G-d) an unrealizable mirage.
Norman, I am simply suggesting how this particular game should be played in order to win it. Winning it means in this context, getting what you desire.
I agree that Israeli governments are largely ineffectual, due to the corrupting influence of the left-wing nutjobs. There are other factors involved.
The point is, that the only viable solution to this conflict is to remove one side of the conflict entirely. Completely change the reality so that Israel isn't negotiating with groups that will never honor what they negotiate, but rather with state entities that understand that they must honor what they negotiate, even if it is grudgingly honored.
Re-unite the 'palis' with their bretheren in Jordan and Egypt. Disassemble all the faux-political organizations that have emerged, yet proven to be only sinkholes for capital, time, and effort.
The game is simple. Show that the 'palis' are incapable of honoring even a simple truce.
You don't even have to work at this. Simply sign the agreement, and wait. Eventually the 'palis' will go ballistic.
Then take their utter lack of self control, and use that to help finish demolishing their political capital. Suggest reasonable alternatives to 'palis' self rule, some of which we are hearing from Jordan. Make it happen. Now if rockets fly, Jordan has to act or it is an act of war, and they really don't want that. Same with the egyptians.
That is the game Livni needs to be playing.
Please don't misunderstand my use of the word game. I don't mean it in terms of "childs play", I do mean it in terms of political machinations.
Kranky,
In theory this sounds great, yet the Jordanian Gov't has already vetoed any talk of taking on the entire Pali population. I too feel this was the way all original land agreements from the turn of the century were meant to be interpreted. The original maps for the Partition of Palestine included the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. But remember Black September. Do you think the privileged Jordanian ruling class will actually allow a Pali majority in their country. Many don't even have full rights as it is. I would love to see this happen, but it's a pipe dream, given the US State Dept's lack of you know what, and their decades long appeasement of corrupt Arab regimes throughout the region.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad will continue to fire rockets, Mazen and his thugs will play the lesser of two evil roles until they can play the PR card and their bogus right of return issue to destroy Israel and it's Jewish identity by attempting the demographic apartheid nonsense.
Dare I say the only solution may be to once again put the enemies of Israel on their heels as they were after '67. This will be painful, yet without the clear upper hand the clock is ticking. I do know however that Israel and the IDF will never be victims again.
The Palestinian state is Jordan. That's why the talk of two states in the same land is nonsense. My idea of territorial compromise is different. Move all the Arabs to Jordan and have the entire Land Of Israel be a Jewish State. The Arabs can call their country Jordan, Palestine or whatever. Such a move would amount to the end of all Arab claims upon Israel. That's the solution Benny Elon has proposed for some time now and that's exactly why it will go nowhere. Too many people would be out of work if Israel stopped being the "heavy." That's never going to change as long as Jews are around in this world.
Steve
Jordan's monarch apparently broached something like this subject with Mr Bush on a recent visit.
Jordan does not want an independent 'palis' state. It is already 70% 'palis', so adding a few million more won't matter.
Jordan fears that a second 'palis' state would result in internal insurrection and yet another deposition of his family. They lost Mecca to the Sauds in the 1920s. This was their consolation prize.
This is the only route that makes sense. Rather than cede the Judea and Samaria to Jordan, Israel should cede the 'palis' to them.
Hey I'm in full agreement with you guys. I do not believe Israel should cede one more inch of land. Yes, Jordan is the Pali state, yet the world has not a clue.
It just seems to me that although their are still many who understand that the idea of a two state solution is a joke, short use of force I don't see Jordan, the EU, Egypt, Russia or any other power player "involved" in Israel's borders agreeing to this, the most logical solution to the problem. Here in the US, even the non-Jewish supporters of Israel seem to think a two state solution is the only answer.
As for Abdullah in Jordan, I think he ultimately agreed to cede some territory in Jordan to be used as part of a future Pali state in his meeting with Bush, but I do remember reading somewhere on LGF that Jordan is not interested in absorbing the entire population of Arabs in Judea and Samaria.
So now the truce has been breached several times in three days, Olmert and Barak stand by. I don't yet see any outrage in the MSM that the Pali's aren't holding up their end of the bargain. On the contrary, AP is focusing more on the border closure and the "poor" victims in Hamasiztan.
An emphasis on the Jewish refugees from Arab countries as a counter weight to the Pali "right of return" and a true on the ground paradigm shift, vis a vis a miraculous change in world opinion or a major military show of force may be the only way out of this mess in the short term.
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