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Tuesday, June 14, 2011

How to beat the 'Israel did the same thing' argument

I'll bet a lot of you have been arguing with friends, acquaintances, work colleagues and obnoxious twits over the 'Palestinian' intention to declare a 'state' unilaterally via the UN General Assembly in September. And I'm sure that a lot of you have come across the argument that "Israel declared a state in 1947 based on a General Assembly vote, so why can't the 'Palestinians' do the same thing today"? In fact, Hamas terrorist Moussa Abu Marzouk makes that same argument in Monday's Los Angeles Times.

How do you respond to that argument? We've all heard the famous tape of the roll being called at the UN with the US and the Russians both voting yes while the Jew-hating Brits (not my British readers - the British government) vote no. Isn't that what gave the UN stamp of approval to the Jewish state?

No, it's not. And if you look below Marzouk's bunch of lies, you'll find a piece by John Bolton (at the same URL) that decimates the General Assembly argument.
Some, however, argue that there is precedent, citing General Assembly Resolution 181 of 1947, which endorsed a plan to partition the former British League of Nations mandate into Jewish and Arab states, and a "special international regime" for Jerusalem. They should read what the resolution actually says. Like all assembly resolutions, it is not legally binding. It simply "recommends" the partition plan in question, and "requests that the Security Council take the necessary measures" to implement it. The council never adopted the plan. Although the Jewish leadership accepted it, the Arabs did not, and a multi-front Arab assault followed. End of precedent.
On March 4, 1949, the Security Council adopted Resolution 69, recommending that Israel be admitted to the United Nations, by a vote of 9-1 (Egypt) with 1 abstention (the Brits). And on May 11, 1949, the General Assembly adopted Resolution 273(III), voting 37-12 with 9 abstentions to accept the Security Council recommendation and admit Israel as a member.

Yes, Israel was admitted to the UN just like everyone else, and not the way the 'Palestinians' are proposing to be admitted.

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At 6:00 AM, Blogger NormanF said...

The Monteveido Convention lays down accepted criteria for statehood and the bottom line is the Palestinians meet none of them. They have no definite territory, no legally recognized government, they don't accept the existence of their neighboring state and they are not willing to accept the obligations that come with independent statehood. And they will meet none of those conditions by September.

What they basically want is to make an end run around the normal processes of statehood. Even if they get General Assembly recognition, it will mean nothing in practice on the ground. If they were serious, they would make peace with Israel, try to establish a semblance of economic independence and get a government up and running. They have done none of those things in the past 18 years and they will perform none of them in the foreseeable future.

At 8:17 AM, Blogger hitotsu said...

You jews will get it from us one day.. Things will change.. You will beg for a piece of land to keep your feet on Earth. Laugh now.. laugh.. ALLAH is with us..

At 1:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Britain abstained it didn't vote against.

At 5:40 PM, Blogger NormanF said...

You can't manage your own affairs and you envy the Jews for managing theirs so well. If Allah was truly with you, why isn't the Islamic World free, economically prosperous and building a civilization? Jihad is simply a form of escapism. The next century will be the Jewish one at the rate things are going.

At 6:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hitotsu: FU and the donkey god you rode in on.

At 10:02 PM, Blogger Sunlight said...

Really, most of the problems confronting the West are caused by 1) chemical use and 2) philosophies that teach extreme covetousness and confiscation. These factors cause starvation and mental rot among their practitioners. So back to basics, the 10th commandment: You shall not covet ... anything that belongs to your neighbor.


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