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Sunday, November 11, 2012

Unbelievable: Majority of Orthodox Jews vote for Obama

And I thought that at least we were smart. Maybe the majority of those who self-selected as 'Jewish' would vote for Obama (because so many of them are Jews in name only), but surely what's called Anshei Shlomeinu in my neighborhood - those who self-select as 'Orthodox' - would be smart enough to see what's coming down the pike. Sadly, even that's not the case.

The Republican Jewish coalition did a survey of 1,000 Jewish voters last week, and while admittedly there were only 119 who self-selected as 'Orthodox,' the results are deeply disturbing. If you go to page 29 at this link, you will see that 48% voted for Obama, while 44% voted for Romney (Hat Tip: Gary P). Sad, but true.

So what happened? I can tell you that maybe not all of those who self-selected as Orthodox are really true blue Orthodox, but that's irrelevant. I can tell you that the sample size may have been too small to be meaningful, and that may also be true.

But I can also tell you that there are an awful lot of Orthodox Jews out there who don't have their heads screwed on straight.

And that's what I aim to change.

Because if we don't stick up for ourselves, no one else will.

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At 2:52 PM, Blogger debbie said...

Carl, there is only one explanation and that is that this is yad Hashem. and that is some comfort.

At 3:14 PM, Blogger Sunlight said...

Every time the Orthodox and liberal U.S. streams have been separated in analysis on Israel Matzav, I have posted a comment that you guys must know people that I don't. Because I actually have not run into many Jews of any stream who would *ever* vote for a Republican. And almost every Israeli I have met would be in favor of socialism or even more communal philosophies. And, while they have benefitted from the American Constitution, capitalism, Green Slush, etc., the advocacy of marcuse marxist New Left tenants will cause death and destruction on all sides. Those philosophies have been shown in history to starve the poor, stop innovation out of fear, etc.. It just does not compute, except that there needs to be a non-stream-based return to the basic document to re-initiate our understanding. We need leadership from somewhere (the guy being considered for chief rabbi of the U.K.?) to compile a TORAH ECONOMICS field of study.

At 6:49 PM, Blogger HaDaR said...

Debbie, I am sorry, but that as an excuse is really a poor one.
I learnt differently as far as Torah is concerned: "וְזָֽכַרְתָּ֙ אֶת־יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ כִּ֣י ה֗וּא הַנֹּתֵ֥ן לְךָ֛ כֹּ֖חַ לַעֲשֹׂ֣ות חָ֑יִל " ... Devarim 8:18
That is God gives US the responsibility, since he gives us the the strength to fight, and if we CHOOSE to be like the ten spies and see ourselves like grasshoppers: "וַנְּהִ֤י בְעֵינֵ֙ינוּ֙ כַּֽחֲגָבִ֔ים וְכֵ֥ן הָיִ֖ינוּ בְּעֵינֵיהֶֽם" [Numbers 13:33], REFUSING HASHEM'S GIFT AND SPITTING ON HASHEM'S FACE BY IGNORING HIS MIRACLES, we'll be treated as grasshoppers, and we just perpetuate the CHILLUL HASHEM which is galut, as Ezekiel teaches:
"20 וַיָּבֹ֗וא אֶל־הַגֹּויִם֙ אֲשֶׁר־בָּ֣אוּ שָׁ֔ם וַֽיְחַלְּל֖וּ אֶת־שֵׁ֣ם קָדְשִׁ֑י בֶּאֱמֹ֤ר לָהֶם֙ עַם־יְהוָ֣ה אֵ֔לֶּה וּמֵאַרְצֹ֖ו יָצָֽאוּ׃
21 וָאֶחְמֹ֖ל עַל־שֵׁ֣ם קָדְשִׁ֑י אֲשֶׁ֤ר חִלְּל֙וּהוּ֙ בֵּ֣ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל בַּגֹּויִ֖ם אֲשֶׁר־בָּ֥אוּ שָֽׁמָּה׃
22 לָכֵ֞ן אֱמֹ֣ר לְבֵֽית־יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל כֹּ֤ה אָמַר֙ אֲדֹנָ֣י יְהוִ֔ה לֹ֧א לְמַעַנְכֶ֛ם אֲנִ֥י עֹשֶׂ֖ה בֵּ֣ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל כִּ֤י אִם־לְשֵׁם־קָדְשִׁי֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר חִלַּלְתֶּ֔ם בַּגֹּויִ֖ם אֲשֶׁר־בָּ֥אתֶם שָֽׁם׃
23 וְקִדַּשְׁתִּ֞י אֶת־שְׁמִ֣י הַגָּדֹ֗ול הַֽמְחֻלָּל֙ בַּגֹּויִ֔ם אֲשֶׁ֥ר חִלַּלְתֶּ֖ם בְּתֹוכָ֑ם וְיָדְע֨וּ הַגֹּויִ֜ם כִּי־אֲנִ֣י יְהוָ֗ה נְאֻם֙ אֲדֹנָ֣י יְהוִ֔ה בְּהִקָּדְשִׁ֥י בָכֶ֖ם לְעֵינֵיהֶֽם׃
24 וְלָקַחְתִּ֤י אֶתְכֶם֙ מִן־הַגֹּויִ֔ם וְקִבַּצְתִּ֥י אֶתְכֶ֖ם מִכָּל־הָאֲרָצֹ֑ות וְהֵבֵאתִ֥י אֶתְכֶ֖ם אֶל־אַדְמַתְכֶֽם׃
25 וְזָרַקְתִּ֧י עֲלֵיכֶ֛ם מַ֥יִם טְהֹורִ֖ים וּטְהַרְתֶּ֑ם מִכֹּ֧ל טֻמְאֹותֵיכֶ֛ם וּמִכָּל־גִּלּ֥וּלֵיכֶ֖ם אֲטַהֵ֥ר אֶתְכֶֽם׃
26 וְנָתַתִּ֤י לָכֶם֙ לֵ֣ב חָדָ֔שׁ וְר֥וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֖ה אֶתֵּ֣ן בְּקִרְבְּכֶ֑ם וַהֲסִ֨רֹתִ֜י אֶת־לֵ֤ב הָאֶ֙בֶן֙ מִבְּשַׂרְכֶ֔ם וְנָתַתִּ֥י לָכֶ֖ם לֵ֥ב בָּשָֽׂר׃
27 וְאֶת־רוּחִ֖י אֶתֵּ֣ן בְּקִרְבְּכֶ֑ם וְעָשִׂ֗יתִי אֵ֤ת אֲשֶׁר־בְּחֻקַּי֙ תֵּלֵ֔כוּ וּמִשְׁפָּטַ֥י תִּשְׁמְר֖וּ וַעֲשִׂיתֶֽם׃
28 וִישַׁבְתֶּ֣ם בָּאָ֔רֶץ אֲשֶׁ֥ר נָתַ֖תִּי לַאֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֑ם וִהְיִ֤יתֶם לִי֙ לְעָ֔ם וְאָ֣נֹכִ֔י אֶהְיֶ֥ה לָכֶ֖ם לֵאלֹהִֽים׃
29 וְהֹושַׁעְתִּ֣י אֶתְכֶ֔ם מִכֹּ֖ל טֻמְאֹֽותֵיכֶ֑ם וְקָרָ֤אתִי אֶל־הַדָּגָן֙ וְהִרְבֵּיתִ֣י אֹתֹ֔ו וְלֹא־אֶתֵּ֥ן עֲלֵיכֶ֖ם רָעָֽב׃
30 וְהִרְבֵּיתִי֙ אֶת־פְּרִ֣י הָעֵ֔ץ וּתְנוּבַ֖ת הַשָּׂדֶ֑ה לְמַ֗עַן אֲ֠שֶׁר לֹ֣א תִקְח֥וּ עֹ֛וד חֶרְפַּ֥ת רָעָ֖ב בַּגֹּויִֽם׃
31 וּזְכַרְתֶּם֙ אֶת־דַּרְכֵיכֶ֣ם הָרָעִ֔ים וּמַעַלְלֵיכֶ֖ם אֲשֶׁ֣ר לֹֽא־טֹובִ֑ים וּנְקֹֽטֹתֶם֙ בִּפְנֵיכֶ֔ם עַ֚ל עֲוֹנֹ֣תֵיכֶ֔ם וְעַ֖ל תֹּועֲבֹֽותֵיכֶֽם׃
32 לֹ֧א לְמַעַנְכֶ֣ם אֲנִֽי־עֹשֶׂ֗ה נְאֻם֙ אֲדֹנָ֣י יְהוִ֔ה יִוָּדַ֖ע לָכֶ֑ם בֹּ֧ושׁוּ וְהִכָּלְמ֛וּ מִדַּרְכֵיכֶ֖ם בֵּ֥ית יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
33 כֹּ֤ה אָמַר֙ אֲדֹנָ֣י יְהוִ֔ה בְּיֹום֙ טַהֲרִ֣י אֶתְכֶ֔ם מִכֹּ֖ל עֲוֹנֹֽותֵיכֶ֑ם וְהֹֽושַׁבְתִּי֙ אֶת־הֶ֣עָרִ֔ים וְנִבְנ֖וּ הֶחֳרָבֹֽות׃
34 וְהָאָ֥רֶץ הַנְּשַׁמָּ֖ה תֵּֽעָבֵ֑ד תַּ֚חַת אֲשֶׁ֣ר הָיְתָ֣ה שְׁמָמָ֔ה לְעֵינֵ֖י כָּל־עֹובֵֽר׃
35 וְאָמְר֗וּ הָאָ֤רֶץ הַלֵּ֙זוּ֙ הַנְּשַׁמָּ֔ה הָיְתָ֖ה כְּגַן־עֵ֑דֶן וְהֶעָרִ֧ים הֶחֳרֵבֹ֛ות וְהַֽנְשַׁמֹּ֥ות וְהַנֶּהֱרָסֹ֖ות בְּצוּרֹ֥ות יָשָֽׁבוּ׃
36 וְיָדְע֣וּ הַגֹּויִ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֣ר יִֽשָּׁאֲרוּ֮ סְבִיבֹותֵיכֶם֒ כִּ֣י ׀ אֲנִ֣י יְהוָ֗ה בָּנִ֙יתִי֙ הַנֶּ֣הֱרָסֹ֔ות נָטַ֖עְתִּי הַנְּשַׁמָּ֑ה אֲנִ֥י יְהוָ֖ה דִּבַּ֥רְתִּי וְעָשִֽׂיתִי׃
37 כֹּ֤ה אָמַר֙ אֲדֹנָ֣י יְהוִ֔ה עֹ֗וד זֹ֛את אִדָּרֵ֥שׁ לְבֵֽית־יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל לַעֲשֹׂ֣ות לָהֶ֑ם אַרְבֶּ֥ה אֹתָ֛ם כַּצֹּ֖אן אָדָֽם׃
38 כְּצֹ֣אן קָֽדָשִׁ֗ים כְּצֹ֤אן יְרוּשָׁלִַ֙ם֙ בְּמֹ֣ועֲדֶ֔יהָ כֵּ֤ן תִּהְיֶ֙ינָה֙ הֶעָרִ֣ים הֶחֳרֵבֹ֔ות מְלֵאֹ֖ות צֹ֣אן אָדָ֑ם וְיָדְע֖וּ כִּֽי־אֲנִ֥י יְהוָֽה׃
No surprise that such people can vote for Obama.
NOT BY CHANCE IN ISRAEL 85% of US Jews voted the other way around.

At 7:02 PM, Blogger HaDaR said...

Those are orthopractitioners of some religion which is NOT Torah.
Being in Golà is IN ITSELF Chillul Hashem...which is something that THOSE "orthodox" - a term good for Xtians, not for Jews! - won't teach you.
As soon as I started learning REALLY, that is according to the way taught by ChaZa"L, NOT building roofs without foundations, as do all those who learn "דבר מתוך דבר" that is גמרה or, even worse, "תורת הסוד", BEFORE OR EVEN INSTEAD of learning THE BASIS, which is תנ"ך והלכה, I KNEW that I had NO CHOICE but to GO UP to Israel, if I wanted to be coherent and not a hypocrite, who does LIP SERVICE about ארץ ישראל וירושלים, three or more times a day + every time he says ברכת המזון וברכת על המחיה; or someone who invents שטויות like "when Mashiach comes"... which contradicts EVEN the seder of the 'Amidà, which was decided ALSO by TWELVE PROPHETS who were part of the Knesset haGhedolàh, and in which not only קבוץ גלויות but even שופטים ובניאת בית המקדש come BEFORE, and not after צמח דוד...
I SUFFER AL LOT when I see so many Jews who do not consider unnatural nor undesirable remaining in the Golà: as ChaZa"L teach, we are "עובדי עבודה זרה בטהרה"... by even indirectly serving the goyim, their idols, their stones and their woods. And the ESSENCE of Torah and being Jewish is REFUSAL OF 'avodàh zaràh...
So, I am proud of having רוח אחרת, and taking the example from כלב בן יפונה ויהושע בן נון, rather than from the other - MAJORITY! - TEN biggies, who had "their good reasons" - which were NOT Hashem's reasons! - and I think that דרך התורה is VERY different. NOT BY CHANCE I left the honey trap 19 years ago...

Golà is called ארצות הטֻמְאָה, and one CANNOT be טהור in it, as much as one who טובל ושרץ בידו...in spite of all the BALONEY (which is literally: Italian style pork!) taught by galut rabbis...with the best of intentions, of course, but, as we know, הדרך לגיהנם מרוצפת בכונות טובות...

To me, seeing all the castles in the sand built in the golàh (from big houses, to big synagogues, to big schools, to big kosher supermarkets, to whatever, BUT IN GALUT) is something VERY SAD...because it helps to perpetuate Chillul Hashem, that is Jews remaining in the גולה, as Ezekiel teaches VERY CLEARLY (Chapter 36). Most people don't even get it... Most people think it's ok and desirable to build big communities in Toronto, Montreal, New York or L.A. . To me it is CHILLUL HASHEM GAMUR.
Those people do not put Erets Israel at the center, do not consider it as THE TORAH, HASHEM, CONSIDERS IT: MORASHA, LIKE THE TORAH ITSELF, an HERITAGE, not to be renounced or divided or given away, not like an inheritance that you can do as you wis with.
see: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/5019
Buttom line: I think that if the Arabs can murder us the way they do and even TRY - with the help of the ערב רב - to take away our land, it is ABOVE ALL the fault of all the Jews who CHOOSE to live in Galut, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO SAY THEY FOLLOW TORAH, since they SHOULD know better, and who can even vote for a SONE' ISRAEL like Obama.
Even only one million Jews שומרי תורה leaving todays "fleshpots of Mitsrayim" would be enough to change the whole destiny of עם ישראל, ארץ ישראל ותורת ישראל.
But, just like in Mitsrayim, and JUST LIKE BEFORE THE SHOAH, they choose the comfort of galut and the chillul Hashem it represents.

And I can't forget the teaching of ChaZa"L: הגאולה הראשונה סימן לגאולה אחרונה, and 80% of עם ישראל never made it out of Mitsrayim and PERISHED in מכת החשך.

At 7:13 PM, Blogger Carl in Jerusalem said...


Haredim all vote Republican.


As the Orthodox become more Modern Orthodox, they tilt more to the Democrats. Still, I was surprised that it was this much because the Modern Orthodox tend to be the most Israel-centered voters of all, and they aren't generally so concerned (or at least weren't when I left 21 years ago) with abortion rights and gay marriage.

At 7:49 PM, Blogger Sunlight said...

"Haredim all vote Republican. "

Well, maybe some. But a bunch don't because they are in those public sector unions. Where I live in the 2nd poorest state in the country (MS is poorer), these public sector union people are all in for one-party Democrat dictatorship, where half of the kids drop out of school and almost half of the remaining have trouble passing the (unchallenging, shall we say) high school graduation exam. These unions back each other and have zero issue with the oppression of the poor by keeping them from reading. They'll get the numbers for those Haredi districts in NY at some point? But they also need to get the numbers for union membership, families, supporters. It's not only about abortion and gay marriage.

At 7:57 PM, Blogger Shayne said...

I refuse to accept that 48% of us voted for Obama. In my community in Chicago, clearly a town that overwhelmingly supports the President, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who didn't vote for, or even donate to Romney.

My guess is that the survey simply wasn't large enough.

At 8:29 PM, Blogger debbie said...

I didn't say we don't have to do our histadlut. I didn't say it is good that Obama was elected. I din't say it makes sense. What I said was since it soooo clearly illogical, then the only thing that makes sense is it is min hashamayim and since HKB"H only wants the best for us, we must take comfort in that. By the way, my daughter's teacher said that had Romney been elected we would have put our faith in him, instead of in G-d. He said, that doesn't mean we don't have to do our best to get the best person elected, but when it doesn't work out, we have to know that this is what Hashem wanted.

At 8:32 PM, Blogger Inmemoryof Yossi said...

They put gay marriage in their platform. The democrat agenda is anti Torah. Any yid who voted for him is not frum, orthodox or modern orthodox. You can't vote for values that are against Torah. Why don't they see that?

At 11:14 PM, Blogger Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog said...

I would find a look at neighborhoods far more credible


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