Der Spiegel tries to blame the Likud for Breivik
Sorry about the lengthy break. I had a lot of paying work today, but I did not anticipate being off for this long.Germany's Der Spiegel has a story that lumps the Likud together with Rightist parties in Europe and blames all of them for Anders Behring Breivik's murderous spree in Norway last week.
Islamophobic parties in Europe have established a tight network, stretching from Italy to Finland. But recently, they have extended their feelers to Israeli conservatives, enjoying a warm reception from members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition. Some in Israel believe that the populists are Europe's future.I have no problem with figures on Israel's Right having connections with Right wing parties in Europe so long as those Right wing parties are not anti-Semitic when they are not dealing with Israel. Some people would call that realpolitik. And as I have noted on numerous occasions, one of the rules in the very tough Middle East is that my enemy's enemy is my fried. I know that sounds like a cliche, and so does, "nations don't have friends, they have interests." But there's a lot of truth in those sayings.
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The reason for the growing focus on Israel is not difficult to divine. "On the one hand," Strache told SPIEGEL ONLINE in a recent interview, "we are seeing great revolutions taking place in the Middle East. But one can't be totally sure that other interests aren't behind them and that, in the end, we might see Islamist theocracies surrounding Israel and in Europe's backyard."
In other words, in the battle against what right-wing populists see as the creeping Islamization of Europe, Israel is on the front line.
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Many in Israel see it the same way. Eliezer Cohen, known in Israel by his nickname "Cheetah," says that leftist parties in both Europe and Israel have lost their way. Cohen, a decorated Israeli air force colonel now in retirement, is a former member of the Knesset with Yisrael Beiteinu, the hardline nationalist party led by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman that currently governs together in a coalition with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party.
"Right-wing politicians in Europe are more sensitive to the dangers facing Israel," Cohen, who gave a keynote address during Dutch right-wing leader Geert Wilders' visit to Berlin last October, told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "They are talking the exact same language as Likud and others on the Israeli right. I'm too old for bullshitting -- we hope the right wing wins out in Europe."
Kara sounds no different. "I am looking for ways to lessen the Islamic influence in the world," Kara told the Israeli daily Maariv in June. "I believe that is the true Nazism in this world. I am the partner of everyone who believes in the existence of this war."
In fact, most of the Right wing parties in Europe are not, as I understand it, anti-Semitic, although some of them have anti-Semitic pasts. Every time I hear someone accuse Geert Wilders of anti-Semitism, I dismiss them as having an agenda.
To use a broad brush to tar all of the European Right with blame for Breivik's actions is outrageous. The Likud and the parties on the Right in Europe are no more to blame for Breivik's actions than Noam Chomsky is for Osama Bin Laden's actions.
Read the whole thing. More here.
Labels: Anders Behring Brievik, Ayoub Kara, English Defence League, Geert Wilders, Likud party, Vlams Belang
posted by Carl in Jerusalem @ 10:05 PM
8 Comments:
it´s this sick bitch Ulrike Putz writing for SPIEGEL
Breivik was raised in a Labor family.... did he go to this camp when he was young? So his ethics in taking action were formed by the left, not the right.
That said, I lived in Europe in the early '70s and anybody who tells you that 1) the Euros' and Russians' antisemitism sickness dispelled after WWII, or that 2) this sick antisemitism is on one side or the other, is either misinformed or lying. Some of Carl's readers also read another blog, where we had monumental discussions on this topic, including with some Euros who ended up coming out with the creepiness in their posts.
Next, it is extremely difficult to determine which Euro or Russian groups or even individuals are anti-semitic. And the reason that it matters is that the Euros and the Russians have slaughtered Jews by the millions... the Muslims have slaughtered way fewer, unless I'm missing something. Basically, until Iran can and does drop a nuke on the next 6 million, the Euros and Russians need to be at the forefront of Israeli discernment. They have a monstrous track record on a large scale.
Every time I hear someone accuse Geert Wilders of anti-Semitism, I dismiss them as having an agenda.
I havn’t seen anyone accuse him of anti semitism, I do however believe that when his funds dry up so will his support for Israel. When that happens, we’ll have this discussion again. I do not for a minute doubt that day will come.
Geert Wilders a Likudnik sponsored by Daniel Pipes
by Oui Tue Mar 23rd, 2010
http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2010/3/23/44320/8027
I also think you overestimate Geert Wilders influence and the influence of the right wing facsist parties in Europe
Wilders PVV, party is part of a coalition, and it won’t rise above what power it has now, because the right wing populist views his party supports are incompatible with Dutch or EU law. The PVV stays out of government, but has rightist minority (part of a coalition). That goes for all the so called right wing parties that are Pro Israel as you understand pro Israel to mean. They won’t wield any great power,
Whilst there are legitimate immigration concerns, the Dutch do not share his Likud /Kahane views of Israel. This is the mistake you’re mistaking. Wilders popularity is not due to his pro Israel views.
To use a broad brush to tar all of the European Right with blame for Breivik's actions is outrageous
Where did it say that? It didn’t. It highlighted the links with right wing facism and Likud, for those who do not know, but it didn’t mention the other extremist ideologies, (kahane) nor the support that these right wing fascists get that comes from a minority of the US Zionist extremists. Why do you think so few Euro Jews support these views? Those who live there know the reality.
In any case, Likud politics will never be approved by the USA, leave alone any EU country. Nor will any of these alliances have any effect on the “islamisation” of Europe.
That is the delusion that right wing Zionists (Likud, kahanists, whatever) live under, whether they're in Israel or the US.
Carl
The Likud and the parties on the Right in Europe are no more to blame for Breivik's actions than Noam Chomsky is for Osama Bin Laden's actions.
Phil Weiss, wipes the floor with this reasoning but he did at least give Islamophobes the benefit of the doubt till Professor Stephen Walt (of the Israel Lobby) vocalised his thoughts. Besides, Bat Yeor has already apologised for insipiring Brievik. Geller and Spencer and inspired Brieviek, and is thought to have been in contact with him as she is scrubbing emails from Norway from her site, and editing posts that she made. She is also deleting comments from her website, though people have kept copies, and they’re available on the internet if the police require and if it does come to that. Her lawyer, a Hasidic Jew (David Yeurshalmi) who is also a white supremacist, has a campaign against Sharia in the USA. He was featured in the New York Times yesterday, see last url link below.
Why is Geller deleting incriminating evidence from her website, if you say they did not inspire violence? Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs has been exposing her desperate tactics.
Geller and Spencer’s work actually shaped Breivik’s ideas, Walt explains
by Philip Weiss on July 31, 2011
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/geller-and-spencers-work-actually-shaped-breiviks-ideas-walt-explains.html#more-48445
I've been afraid to go too hard after mass-murderer Anders Breivik for citing Islamophobic blogger Pamela Geller because people will respond that Osama bin Laden has cited Jimmy Carter and Walt and Mearsheimer. Steve Walt deals with this question in a great post on Breivik. On the intellectual culpability issue, he says that OBL did what he did without reading Walt and Mearsheimer, while the same cannot likely be said about Breivik/Geller:
Breivik's Warped Worldview
Posted By Stephen M. Walt Friday, July 29, 2011
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/29/breiviks_warped_world_view
By contrast, it is clear from Breivik's own statements that his thinking was shaped by the various Islamophobic writers whose work he cites (and whose websites he patronized and posted on).
Anders Breivik: Neo-Conned
by Dr. K R Bolton July 29, 2011 By: The Associated Press
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/29/anders-breivik-neo-conned/
Israel & Islam
The only “Right” that Breivik can be said to identify with is the Zionist extreme Right. This calls to mind the likes of the Jewish Defense League, Likud, the settler movement, etc. Breivik’s support for the expansion of Israeli borders north and south also reminds one of the “Greater Israeli Empire” that has always been a basis of the Zionist “extreme right.”
Author that inspired Norway terror suspect apologizes
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110725/norway-terror-apology-110725/20110725/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
Jul. 25, 2011 -GENEVA — An author cited in a rambling manifesto written by the Norway massacre suspect has expressed regret that her writing might have helped to inspire his rampage.
Gisele Littman, who writes under the name Bat Ye'or, says that since her books are in the public domain she has no control over who quotes her.
The Man Behind the Anti-Shariah Movement
By ANDREA ELLIOTT Published: July 30, 2011
In fact, it is the product of an orchestrated drive that began five years ago in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, in the office of a little-known lawyer, David Yerushalmi, a 56-year-old Hasidic Jew with a history of controversial statements about race, immigration and Islam.
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The more tangible effect of the movement, opponents say, is the spread of an alarmist message about Islam — the same kind of rhetoric that appears to have influenced Anders Behring Breivik, the suspect in the deadly dual attacks in Norway on July 22.
Carl
To use a broad brush to tar all of the European Right with blame for Breivik's actions is outrageous. The Likud and the parties on the Right in Europe are no more to blame for Breivik's actions than Noam Chomsky is for Osama Bin Laden's actions.
EDL supporter: Breivik’s a ‘hero in the war on Islam’
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=25561
But this was before the real killer was known. Before long, there was a reappraisal of the slaughter.
The EDL Jewish Division, on learning that the summer camp had discussed Palestine before the attack, posted “Ah, that explains the man’s actions.”
It added, “This exposes the scum for what they are!”
Another supporter, “Michelle Miley”, wrote: “gimme a break. anders is a hero in the war against islam”.
One user on the wall of EDL member “Clive Gloucestershire” writes that “if he was like us… he wouldn’t have killed his own ppl… makes no sense… a mosque full of muslim retards-yes”.
Meanwhile, EDL member “Matty Hemsley” wrote: “I would have supported him 100% if he had just stuck to bombs instead of killing them poor brainwashed children”.
Several members spoke of remembering Anders Behring Breivik from EDL activities.
This led one member, “Brett Cooper”, to tell others to keep quiet about the links: “Guys id be careful what your typing on here,” he wrote online. “anything that ties us to him will be all over the news and give us terrorist links for sure”.
Carl,
The Likud and the parties on the Right in Europe are no more to blame for Breivik's actions than Noam Chomsky is for Osama Bin Laden's actions.
You may be right after all, even the right wing parties are speaking out against the anti Islam (read pro Likud) Wilders type politiicans !
Even the British EDL find it hard to relate to far right Zionism, though they tried to. Just ask the unsavoury British Geller, Roberta Moore.
Your far right wing Likud/kahane mates (Wilders, Fjordman, Brievik) do not represent even the right wing in Europe. It's noteworthy, that what kept Wilders from gaining power was his anti Islam and pro Likud views, not his anti immigration stance.
And you're wrong. They is no difference between them and Al Qaeda, that is why Europol has announced a new task to monitor right wing extremism in Europe.
Killing cultural marxists will have long term consequences for all it's supporters, overt and covert, whether in Europe, Israel or the USA.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2011/08/wilders_accuses_left_of_demoni.php
Wilders accuses left of demonising him over Norway shootings (update)
Monday 01 August 2011
Breivik made at least 30 mentions of Wilders and his anti-Islam PVV party in the 1,500-page manifesto he circulated after the bloodbath and said Wilders was a person he really wanted to meet.
VVD
Later on Monday, Mark Verheijen, deputy chairman of the right-wing Liberal VVD, launched his own stinging attack on Wilders using the microblogging service Twitter.
'Oh poor Geert. Who cares about 77 deaths. We almost forgot that HE, of course, is Breivik's main victim', Verheijen wrote.
The Telegraaf points out that Verheijen is the first VVD official to attack Wilders so publicly. The VVD and Christian Democrat minority government is propped up by the PVV and criticism of the anti-Islam party is rare.
Oops I forgot to post the link above, here it is:
Some long overdue publicity for this obnoxious character called David Yerushalmi.
Pamela Geller's lawyer, the man leading the anti shariah charge in the USA was featured in the New York Times. He calls himself a Hasidic Jew and is a white supremacist.
This Yerushalmi, is a lawyer, yet isn't aware that freedom of religion is a constitutional right for all in the USA. I mean what kind of a lawyer doesn't even know that?
The Man Behind the Anti-Shariah Movement
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/us/31shariah.html
By ANDREA ELLIOTT
Published: July 30, 2011
A confluence of factors has fueled the anti-Shariah movement, most notably the controversy over the proposed Islamic center near ground zero in New York, concerns about homegrown terrorism and the rise of the Tea Party. But the campaign’s air of grass-roots spontaneity, which has been carefully promoted by advocates, shrouds its more deliberate origins.
In fact, it is the product of an orchestrated drive that began five years ago in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, in the office of a little-known lawyer, David Yerushalmi, a 56-year-old Hasidic Jew with a history of controversial statements about race, immigration and Islam. Despite his lack of formal training in Islamic law, Mr. Yerushalmi has come to exercise a striking influence over American public discourse about Shariah.
Carl,
Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifadah makes a mockery of your claims.
This is an epic piece, which Al Jazeera published. Check the links, and I know you won't be able to refute anything he says.
Red Tulips, Shy Guy, Juniper in The Desert, Niko, and others, please comment on this, AFTER reading it all, and following the links.
Islamophobia, Zionism and the Norway massacre
Anti-Defamation League director Abraham Foxman condemned Breivik's ideology, but he is still an enabler of Islamophobia.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/2011829164395822.html
Who does Foxman think he is kidding? There is nothing "bizarre" about this at all. Indeed Foxman himself has done much to bestow credibility on extremists who have helped popularise the Islamophobic views he now condemns. And he did it all to shore up support for Israel.
After Norway, Foxman may fear that the Islamophobic genie he helped unleash is out of control, and is a dangerous liability for him and for Israel.
Zionists embrace Islamophobia after 9/11
Many American Zionists embraced Islamophobic demagoguery after the September 11, 2001 attacks.
Their logic was encapsulated in then-Israeli opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu's notorious assessment that the attacks - which killed almost 3,000 people - would be beneficial for Israel.
Asked what the 9/11 atrocities would mean for US-Israeli relations, Netanyahu told The New York Times, "It's very good", before quickly adding, "Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy" and would "strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we've experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive hemorrhaging of terror".
In order for Israel and the United States to have the same enemy, the enemy could not just be the Palestinians, who never threatened the United States in any way. It had to be something bigger and even more menacing - and Islam fit the bill. The hyped-up narrative of an all-encompassing Islamic threat allowed Israel to be presented as the bastion of "western" and "Judeo-Christian" civilisation facing down encroaching Muslim barbarity. No audience was more receptive than politically influential, white, right-wing Christian evangelical pastors and their flocks.
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With his panicked and belated jump onto the anti-Islamophobia bandwagon, Foxman hopes we won't notice, and that organisations like his can continue defending Israel's racism free from the stain of the deadly anti-Muslim extremism they have done so much to promote.
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