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Wednesday, April 11, 2012

The kind of Jew they like

I hesitate to post this on Chol HaMoed, because it's something that should cause us to tear our clothes in mourning - which we avoid as much as possible during the holidays, and which I trust these peoples' families have long since done - but this is what it takes to be the kind of Jew who interests the likes of the Daily Mail. The story is about a 'reality TV show' about the lives of three formerly Hassidic Jews - two men and one woman - who have divorced their spouses and left their faith (Hat Tip: Drew G).

The difference between religious Jews who go 'off the path' in Israel and those who do so abroad is that the Israelis are much less likely to marry outside the faith and are a bit less likely to do things like regret that their parents 'deprived' them of bacon.

This story is a very sad commentary. Those of you with the stomach can read the whole thing.

Frankly, I find the whole 'reality TV' thing (which didn't exist when I left the US nearly 21 years ago) to be really disgusting.



At 10:06 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

we ran out of matzah and my family went off and bought a bunch of English muffins. should I starve? I admit it... I ate the bread

At 10:42 PM, Blogger NormanF said...

I don't and no one would call me an observant Jew!

That said, that photo would make Der Sturmer proud.

The world apparently likes Jews who reject their own faith and turn their backs on their own people.

To make money off it though, is the just about the lowest thing I ever seen in all my years upon this earth.

At 11:15 PM, Blogger muman613 said...

Noah... You just had to eat bread? There are those who observe the holiday by eating anything BUT bread... You just didn't want to observe the command of Pesach and therefore you have cut yourself off from the Jewish people. I would rather eat potatoes and onions than bread during the Pesach Chag. Shame on you...

At 11:17 PM, Blogger muman613 said...

I have NEVER watched a single episode of so-called 'reality' tv. I threw out my TV set about ten years ago and don't miss it. I watch old TV shows on youtube and that is all. Todays programming is sick in the head.

At 12:02 AM, Blogger Empress Trudy said...

I call this "Chabonism" in commemoration of the the writer Michael Chabon who's a Jew like I'm Russian. Oh sure my family's from there, but that's not the same thing. But in Chabon's case he's the kind of Jew who goes out of his way not only to publicly deny any affiliation with Judaism and to be as morally offensive to everything about Judaism as humanly possible, he responds to any and all criticism with an automatic "By my pork eating Arab terrorist loving Jew hating Buddhist nihilism is actually a BETTER kind of Judaism than you old fashioned Jews!!!!"

At 12:10 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Hi Carl.
Saw the story earlier, did not want to post it or mention it, i can't approve of
such 'productions',it leaves a 'bad taste'.

At 2:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So spake the hypocrite

You and most of your schnorrers here support Geert Wilders who despite pleas from Rabbis supported the stun ban in Holland which means that had it become law, Orthodox Jews, and the small minority of Muslims who also do not accept stunning would have had to import meat from abroad.

Which is why you all have zero credibility.

Liars, whores, schnorrers,

I dont' udnerstand...can anyone explain why such a schnorrer would object to the picture above when he hosted Geert Wilders, who is funded by the Zionist right wing in the US and Israel?

Had the Daily Mail added some Islamophobic garbage and spin like Wilders does, you wouldn't have complained. That is the cheap whore that you are.

At 2:47 AM, Blogger Avrumel said...

This guys peyos and haircut don't look natural. It looks like bad movie make up. Are these real people or actors playing a part.

At 4:15 AM, Blogger Ashan said...

Noah - What a foolish comment. You won't starve if you don't eat bread in place of matza. Go make yourself a salad instead. It's good for you any time of the year, including Pesach.

Good grief.

At 8:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


אילו היית שם, לא היית נגאל

At 8:57 AM, Blogger Chrysler 300M said...

what is annoying is the exhibitionism of these people

At 7:23 PM, Blogger Juniper in the Desert said...

If it's not an actor it's Netura Kartei. Are you sure you are not a self-hating Jew, Chayma? Maybe your ancestors were once Jews but were raped and forced to convert to izlame. Many were!!

At 1:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juniper in the Desert

As the wise man said, it's better to keep your mouth shut and let others THINK you're a fool, rather than speak and PROVE that you are.

It's actually the other way round. Jews converted to Islam, even though Islam doesn't bother with Book People, and if you think forced conversions were how we gained converts you are ignorant. A forced conversion is not accepted, it has to be a conscious choice. The Quran mandates freedom of religion, that is why Islam is the only religion that can rule with tolerance. History proved that.

But even allowing for the Al Mohad type rare occasions when forced conversions did happen, (exception not the rule) how do you account for Chinese Jews choosing Islam when we took the Quran there for the Chinese? they nearly all embraced it, though they were not dawa recipients. Chinese Muslims today, include the descendents of these converts.


and finally, comparatively, you are the pot calling the kettle black. forced conversions even when they did happen were never offical, or rarely offical policy, because the Quran forbds them.


Samaritans and Idumaens were forced to convert to Judaism, (either by threats of exile, or threats of death, depending on the source.) For the forced conversion of the Idumaeans under John Hyrcanus, see Flavius Josephus Antiquities 13.257-258.

For the forced conversion of the Ituraeans under Aristobulus, see Flavius Josephus Antiquities 13.319. In Eusebíus, Christianity, and Judaism Harold W. Attridge says that “there is reason to think that Josephus’ account of their conversion is substantially accurate.”

He also writes, “That these were not isolated instances but that forced conversion was a national policy is clear from the fact that Alexander Jannaeus (ca 80 BCE) demolished the city of Pella in Moab, “because the inhabitants would not agree to adopt the national custom of the Jews.” Josephus, Antiquities. 13.15.4, 397[11]

Maurice Sartre has written of the "policy of forced Judaization adopted by Hyrcanos, Aristobulus I and Jannaeus”, who offered "the conquered peoples a choice between expulsion or conversion,”[12]

And in 'The early Roman period, Volume 2', William David Davies has written that. “The evidence is best explained by postulating that an existing small Jewish population in Lower Galilee was massively expanded by the forced conversion in c.104 BCE of their Gentile neighbours in the north.”


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