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Wednesday, December 22, 2010

There are no '1967 borders'

So I'll post a little bit while I try to drink enough coffee to get rid of the headache....

I try to be careful to refer to the June 4, 1967 borders as the "1949 armistice lines." For those who didn't understand why, you're about to find out (Hat Tip: Israel Project).
•The Palestinian leadership is fixated on attempting to press foreign governments and the UN to recognize a unilaterally declared Palestinian state within the "1967 borders." Indeed, this campaign appeared to have some initial successes in December 2010 when both Argentina and Brazil decided to recognize a Palestinian state within what they described as the "1967 borders."

•But such borders do not exist and have no basis in history, law, or fact. The only line that ever existed was the 1949 armistice demarcation line, based on the ceasefire lines of the Israeli and Arab armies pending agreement on permanent peace. The 1949 armistice agreements specifically stated that such lines have no political or legal significance and do not prejudice future negotiations on boundaries.

•UN Security Council Resolution 242 of 1967 acknowledged the need for negotiation of secure and recognized boundaries. Prominent jurists and UN delegates, including from Brazil and Jordan, acknowledged that the previous lines cannot be considered as international boundaries.

•The series of agreements between the PLO and Israel (1993-1999) reaffirm the intention and commitment of the parties to negotiate permanent borders. During all phases of negotiation between Israel and the Palestinians, there was never any determination as to a border based on the 1967 lines.

•The PLO leadership solemnly undertook that all issues of permanent status would be resolved only through negotiations between the parties. The 2003 "Road Map" further reiterated the need for negotiations on final borders.
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At 5:50 PM, Blogger NormanF said...

There were NEVER any actual borders between Israel and the Palestinians. There were armistice lines and those were never meant to be borders in any real sense of the word. Look up the Oslo Accords - no borders are mentioned in them and in fact they state that was one of the subjects Israel and the Palestinians are supposed to negotiate about. And yet the Palestinians have successfully hoodwinked the world into believing such imaginary borders actually exist!

What could go wrong indeed

At 8:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman, there are no actual "palestinians", let alone a border with them.

Unless you're referring to Jordan, of course.

At 6:07 PM, Blogger Talknic said...

Israel’s borders were declared, recognized by the International Community and confirmed BY THE ISRAEL GOVERNMENT in statements to the UNSC BEFORE Israel was accepted into the UN and BEFORE Israel made any claims to territories beyond the actual extent of it’s sovereignty.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/decad169.asp ---
--- http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Foreign+Relations/Israels+Foreign+Relations+since+1947/1947-1974/2+Israel-s+position+on+its+frontiers.htm

On May 15th 1948 the extent of Israel’s Sovereign territories were clearly defined in the Israeli Government’s official announcement of the Declaration for the Establishment of the state of Israel.

On May 22, 1948 the Israeli Government confirmed it’s frontiers in correspondence to the UNSC

By May 11th 1949 Israel had already been recognized by the majority of the International Community of Nations according to the Israeli Government statements of May 15th & May 22nd 1948 “within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947,” .

On 11 May 1949 Israel was accepted into the UN as a UN Member State as recognized, “within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947,”

On June 15, 1949 the Israeli Government again confirmed it’s frontiers in correspondence to the UNSC

On the 31st Aug 1949 Israel made it’s first official claim to territories beyond the extent of it’s sovereign frontiers AFTER IT’S BOUNDARIES WERE RECOGNIZED

Consecutive Israeli Governments have been LYING to it’s own citizens for 62 years, LYING to the media, LYING to anyone willing to believe them and stupid enough not to check everything they say

May 15, 1948 Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States,
“MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

At 9:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"UN Security Council Resolution 242 of 1967 acknowledged the need for negotiation of secure and recognized boundaries"

UNSC res 242 doesn't contain the word negotiate. It was a UNSC resolution to end hostilities between already pre-existing states. It had nothing to do with Palestinian statehood or negotiating boundaries.

The purpose of UNSC res 242 is shown in the Israel/Egypt Peace Treaty


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