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Tuesday, August 17, 2010

Video: BBC Panorama special on the Mavi Marmara

Here's the BBC's Panorama program on the Mavi Marmara, which was shown on Monday night. It's in two parts.

Here's Part 1. Let's go to the videotape.

Here's Part 2. Let's go to the videotape.

Isn't it odd that the IHH thinks that 'passive resistance' includes throwing people into the sea?

Turkey's denial of involvement seems more than a little disingenuous.

I'm surprised (and pleased) that the IDF gave the reporter access to the naval commandos. Reality is that you have to do those things if you want to be heard in the world.

Is using metal bars also 'passive resistance'?

I'm watching this with you - I'll try to come back with more comments later.


Note what she confirms about the medicines.

On the whole, I thought this video was pretty fair. It's a shame they didn't pick up the clip of 'Israeli Arab' MK Hanin Zoabi trying to stop the IDF from taking the wounded to Israeli hospitals.

Panorama has a blog, and there's a posting and a lot of comments about this show here. A lot of the denizens are quite upset that Israel comes out looking good from this one.

Let me know what you think.


At 1:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

they let o'keefe and that canadian nutjob off lightly

the canadian was caught in multiple lies...and o'keefe is a straight out terrorist (why does no one ever ask him about his gang tats?...a tear drop is a sign of committing murder, no matter how he explains it)

im sure the comments on the site are as disgusting as those on youtube, so i think ill pass at looking at them.

also pretty surprised that they didnt use anything from the lee tape...which proved that israel did not fire live rounds first...they fired paint balls...and also proved that more than just a few of the passengers were aware about what the ihh was up to.

the report also left out the al jazeera reports showing the activists singing the kuybar song, and the one that showed the mavi marmara carried no aid at all.

yes, it was pretty fair...and it does show that israel was self critical regarding how the entire incident was handled

At 4:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the issue of who shot first is actually a red herring, and so do those who are claiming that the IDF was shooting people from the helicopters. They need to depict the stabbing, beating and taking captive of commandos as defence against deadly force. Because the IDF would have been totally justified in shooting 'activists' who were stabbing, beating, and throwing to a lower deck their teammates.

It's obvious that there was a plan to repel the IDF violently (despite the IHH's obfuscation about nonviolence and passive resistance; the IHH guys admit it. There is video evidence of preparations to do exactly that. There is evidence that the IHH controlled what people could and could not photograph on the ship because they wanted 'control the narrative', so to speak. There is evidence that the IHH have been in contact with people on the ship afterwards to ensure that they 'get' and promulgate the narrative of 'executions' by the commandos.

I also think that Eiland is a bit naive when he says that most of the people on the ship had no idea what was coming down. He's right that most people might not have known the specifics of the IHH plan, but they heard the saws, they saw busy preparations and didn't give them a passing glance. Some of them must have heard the passionate talk of wanting martyrdom. They knew that the IHH did NOT intend 'passive resistance'. And those few I'm aware of who have spoken out since all adhere to the party line. Eiland underestimates one thing - the depth of their hatred for Israel. That unprincipled principle supercedes all else, including their interest in the truth. Iara Lee's video appears to be 'missing' raw footage between the first attempt by the IDF to board shipside and the arrival of the 3rd helicopter about 15 minutes later. I wonder why.


At 10:39 PM, Blogger Olive Tree said...

In the second part of the Panorama documentury, at 27-28 secs, there is a person with what appears to be a gun. Can you see it?

At 10:40 PM, Blogger Olive Tree said...

In the second part of the Panorama documentury, at 27-28 secs, there is a person with what appears to be a gun. Can you see it?


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