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Monday, May 31, 2010

Why did Israel attack the 'flotilla of fools'?

As noted earlier today, the IDF attacked the 'flotilla of fools' - the group of ships bringing 'aid' to Gaza in the wee hours of Monday morning. The IDF has confirmed that 7 soldiers were injured: 2 severely, 2 moderately and 3 lightly. All of the injured people on the boat - including the 'activists' - have been evacuated to hospitals in Israel.

Reports indicate that anywhere from 2 to 14 passengers on the boats were killed and 'dozens' were injured. This is from YNet (Hat Tip: Memeorandum).
According to an IDF source, "The sail's participants were not innocent and used violence against the soldiers. They were waiting for the forces' arrival."

The NTV network has been broadcasting images of injured passengers on board one of the ships since the morning hours. Some were evacuated on boats and helicopters.

The al-Jazeera network reported that hundreds of soldiers took over the vessels taking part in the sail simultaneously.

According to a reporter on one of the ships, the Israel Defense Forces raided all vessels from the sea and air at the same time and informed all of the passengers that they were under arrest.

The Israeli vessels, the report said, attacked the flotilla in international waters with aerial reinforcement, using gas. A Qatari television channel broadcast live the dramatic images from the ships, with Hamas spokespeople giving interviews and vowing to punish Israel for "the new crime".

The images showed Commando soldiers with their faces covered. A fighter in uniform, wearing a gas mask, tried to block the camera with his hand, while more and more troops raided the ship after sliding down from a helicopter using a rope.

The NTV network showed Commando fighters hanging down from ropes onto the ships' decks. One of the images showed a military doctor treating one of the injured.

At around 4 am, the live broadcast from one of the six ships was disconnected. The broadcast was resumed an hour later and the ship began calling out for help and announced to the Navy that there were injured people aboard.

One of the commenters in the previous post asked why Israel didn't just surround the ships at sea and 'force' them into the port of Ashdod. Israel spent three days trying to 'convince' them to go into the port of Ashdod. Surrounding them at sea and trying to force them into Ashdod would have sacrificed the element of surprise.

And why attack them at sea and not wait for them to get closer to Gaza? Because doing so would mean that Israel would have had to fight with the Gazans on land in addition to fighting the 'activists' at sea.

Did the Israeli government warn the 'activists' before they boarded the ships? You bet they did. Here's an IDF video that shows one of those warnings.

Let's go to the videotape.

If you had heard that warning - knowing that the IDF delivers hundreds of tons of cargo to Gaza every day - would you have continued to try to reach Gaza or would you have gone to Ashdod? Obviously, they were looking for a confrontation, and they were looking for cannon fodder to make into 'martyrs.'

And don't buy the story that these were 'unarmed' 'peace activists.' In the video below, you will see one of these 'unarmed' 'peace activists' hit an Israeli soldier with a pipe and then stab him with a knife.

Let's go to the videotape.

Turkey has recalled its ambassador to Israel. Good. It's time to stop the bluff that Turkey has anything but warlike intentions toward us.

Bottom line: These people committed an act of war - arguably on behalf of the Turkish government. Maybe the next time, after seeing the results of this time, they will think twice.


At 3:53 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Israel should protest this to the UNSC. Not that it will do anything, but it will preempt the inevitable attacks against Israel. Moreover, all of the footage, showing the restraint, the attacks of the "peace" activists, etc. should be made very public. And as rapidly as Israel can do this. In english.

Israel should get talking heads in front of as many news organizations as possible, showing the footage of the "peace" activists attacking Israelis.

Israel should repeat this again and again until the message is clear. No martyrs on board the ship of fools. Only terrorists, and their enablers.

Additionally, Israel should bring charges against all the people on the ship, all the constituted authorities that allowed and encouraged this ship to sail.

Turkey's military should be encouraged to pull their country back from the islamist brink. They are almost too far gone to be saved.

At 3:58 PM, Blogger NormanF said...

I'm of the view Israel was too soft in dealing with this band of terrorists. They should have all been killed and the ships sunk.

That would have made Israel's enemies pause twice about trying a test of wills again.

At 4:17 PM, Blogger MUSHI said...

as a jewish person living in the diaspora, i think that what Israel should be doing now, is to instruct all their ambassadors to present themself to the media in all the countries and explain (with the proves as carl has demostrated) why Israel acted like it had.

I'm living in south america, precisely in Argentina, and what the media is displaying here is: "Israel attacks a help fleet for gaza and causes at least 10 deads"


link in spanish!

At 4:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

More evidence, in case you ever needed it, that "Pro-Palestine" is by nature "Anti-Israel".

You know what the good thing is about "Damned if we do, damned if we don't"? That it spares you the obligation to give a damn. If we be demons in the world's eyes, let us have something to show for it. "If you're doing the time, you might as well commit the crime". Let the Jew-haters beware the day we think we have nothing to lose.

Repeating NormanF's advice from earlier: Let's arm the Kurds. Not, I say, out of reliance on them (no relying on any of the goyim), but as punishment for Turkey. With the same plausible deniability that Iran gets for supporting Hezbollah.

At 4:50 PM, Blogger Broomer said...

Time for Israel to end diplomatic relations with Turkey.

At 6:24 PM, Blogger skat said...

Israel should announce it is sinking any more of these "aid" ships. It is now obvious the ships are actually fighting against Israel, not trying to just deliver aid .

At 9:00 PM, Blogger skat said...

Israel should state that in the future it will sink these "aid" ships. Of course, Israel is in a very difficult position with Obama in the White House.

At 12:10 AM, Blogger Thud said...

Myself and other English bloggers are trying to counter (a minor contribution, but any help is needed at this time)the BBC propaganda.

At 8:49 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

It seems that everyone in this forum is forgetting the root cause of all this forum is forgetting the root cause of all of this. Israel is occupining Arab land and keeping the Palestinian people hostage in their our country. It is not an act of war to eat, drin and obtain medicine when you need it. Get a grip or the the whole world will turn on you.

At 1:25 PM, Blogger Carl in Jerusalem said...


No. If the 'occupation' were the 'root cause,' the 'Palestinians' would have accepted Ehud Barak's overly generous offers in 2000 or 2001, or they would have accepted Ehud Olmert's even more ridiculous offer in 2008. Or at least they would have responded with a counter-offer.

But they didn't. And the reason they didn't is because the 'Palestinians' and their Arab sponsors are genocidal and what they really want is to destroy the Jewish state.

The 'Palestinians' have plenty to eat and drink. None of them is starving. Thousands of tons of food go into Gaza every month - I have posted the pictures to prove it.

Open your eyes and think and stop spewing MSM rhetoric.

At 2:31 PM, Blogger spacecrabs said...

Hi there Carl.
I studied the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and its roots for a significant period here at University in New Zealand. I'm not saying I know more about the conflict and its historical details than perhaps you do, but because I don't have ties to either the Israeli people or the Palestinians I like to think I have the ability to step back and put forth an un-biased view on the matter.
Its clear in this particular instance that yes there was a small portion of the 800person strong flotilla (i'd estimate around 20 or so men of Turkish origin) that were there not to deliver aid but to attack Israeli commandos when they boarded one of the boats. and ofcourse they did so using iron bars, knives and sling shots etc.
I don't condone that violence at all and think those Turkish men were just plain idiots with possible "terrorist" leanings.
However it seems pretty clear to me from what i've researched that Israel's current occupation of Palestine/Gaza is an illegal act , therefore the blockade is an illegal act , therefore the boarding of the flotilla boats in international waters is definitely an illegal act.
Now I'm a pacifist and do not condone the use of violence , but Israeli forces had no right being on any of those vessels in the first place , and any violence that occurred as a result is of the Israeli governments own doing.
One things for sure, the flotilla has succeeded in what they set out to do. That was to highlight the fact that the Israeli government have the arrogance to believe that they can break international law at will , and that the Israeli armed forces are very "heavy handed" even at the best of times.
I have one final question for you Carl, why do you think the majority of the nations of the world sympathise with the Palestinians in their ongoing conflict with the state of Israel?...

Thanks for your time , look forward to hearing your reply. Jake

At 6:05 PM, Blogger Michael said...

I can answer that Jake: The answer: Because the whole world will stand against Israel (Zechariah 14:1-2) and they follow their father - HaSatan - the devil! There is no logic in the lies that spew from the media in these days - it is a spiritual battle - foretold in Scripture. People ignorantly deny Scripture - hoping that it is not true. Look out Gaza - Look out Damascus - The God of Israel has an agenda - that being...keeping His word. Israel will NOT be destroyed but all her enemies will be. I didn't say it- but I believe the One who did. Stand against Israel and her God at your own peril. Bless them and you will be blessed, curse them and you will be cursed (Genesis 12:3). Don't take my word for it - read the Scriptures and take His word for it!!

At 7:15 AM, Blogger Truong Giai Van said...

The whole reason the world is condemning this "inhumane" attack is because they do not want to offend the Muslims. A politically correct act, this will be seen as "humanitarian" and siding with the "poor" Palestinians => winning Muslim support. Especially at a time when disagreeing with Muslims wins you a 'death sentence' from them.

At 12:29 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

The world isn't "anti-jewish" or "anti-israel", they're "pro-palestine" for a reason. The world is disgusted by the open acts of hostility and violence by israel towards gaza and palestine. It is horrifying. The attack on the flotilla is just another attack gaza. Israel is a wealthy country whose inhabitants are living lives of luxury, gaza and palestine are third worlds countries, its inhabitants living in the rubble of their destroyed homes.

The Israeli army had no authority boarding the flotilla, nor did it have any jurisdiction in international waters .

I can tell that the IDF had mayhem on their mind by knowing only one fact about this operation: they went in at night.

If your military purpose is to conduct a peaceful detention, that means your first order of business is to minimize any potential confusion that could cause a situation to degenerate. you see them, they see you.

Obviously the IDF wanted to minimize the damage done by filming their operation in broad daylight, and they largely succeeded in that respect. this has given them the latitude to just make stuff up about "clubs and knives and sharp objects" because it's going to be much harder to put the lie to that claim based on video evidence.


" 21 Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt. 22 Do not take advantage of a widow or an orphan(i believe the israeli army has created plenty of widows and orphans). 23 If you do and they cry out to me, I will certainly hear their cry. 24 My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless."(REPENT!)

(though, i personally don't see them as "aliens" or strangers in this land, they have every right to be here.)


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