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Monday, September 17, 2007

The real agenda behind the 'security fence'

I know that most of you outside of Israel think that the 'security fence' is a wonderful idea because it has cut down terror attacks in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and other major cities. The truth is that the fence has done nothing of the sort. What has cut down on terror attacks in the country's major cities is the continuous presence of the IDF throughout Judea and Samaria since Operation Defensive Shield in late March and early April 2002, and the system of roadblocks that the 'Palestinians' and their 'international' supporters keep trying to convince us should be removed. If the IDF were to leave Shchem (Nablus), Jenin and Tulkarm (among others), and the roadblocks were to be removed, no fence in the world would prevent terror from Judea and Samaria from stalking our major cities. We have had several attempted infiltrations from Gaza recently where the topography is such that the 'Palestinians' can almost be hermetically sealed in. Judea and Samaria is hilly country, and especially given the Supreme Court's continuous nudging of the fence towards the green line, the 'security fence' in Judea and Samaria provides very little security to Israelis in the major population centers. And of course the fence won't prevent rockets from being fired. If you think that rockets on Sderot are a news event, wait until they start hitting Jerusalem, Netanya and the Ben Gurion Airport.

So why is there a fence? The real reason there is a fence and the real reason why the leftist Supreme Court is constantly moving the fence towards the green line is that the fence is what the left hopes will be the future border of Israel with the 'Palestinian' state reichlet. One major hangup with that plan is the presence of some 70,000 Jewish revenants in cities and towns that are beyond the fence. Enter the non-partisan leftist One House organization which is trying to scare the Jews who live beyond the fence into fleeing from their homes:
Anita Finkelstein almost tossed the personally addressed letter from the "One House" movement warning that her home in the Tekoa settlement would soon be in "trapped in hostile territory" because it is located on the Palestinian side of the security barrier.

"I almost threw it in the rubbish before I even opened it because it looked like an advertisement," Finkelstein told The Jerusalem Post on Sunday.

But because she wasn't sure, she opened the one-page letter that was sent over the last few weeks to 10,000 residents of Judea and Samaria living outside the fence's boundaries. The letter was peppered with strong language explaining the "life-threatening reality" that awaited her should she stay in the settlement she has lived in for the last 21 years.

"We have already learned that military power cannot promise security for those stuck within Palestinian sovereignty. The terror threat that hovers over the heads of thousands of families will only increase," said the letter.

It added that settlers' lives outside of the fence were at a greater risk because of the growing unrest in the Palestinian Authority.

Time was of the essence, the letter warned, because "work on the fence will be completed in a number of months but no solution has been found for the families that live outside of it," said the letter.

It then explained that One House was a non-partisan organization that worked to compensate those who want to leave the West Bank, but can't because their homes have no value on the market.

According to MK Avshalom Vilan (Meretz), one of the group's leaders, One House polls show that some 50 percent of the close to 70,000 settlers living outside the security fence are interested in checking out the possibility of leaving.

A few hundred people out of the 2,000 that responded to the letter campaign asked for more information about voluntarily leaving, Vilan told the Post. He and MK Colette Avital (Labor) have already filed a bill in the Knesset to compensate those who want to go, and the Law Committee is scheduled to review it next week, Vilan said.

But settlers in Tekoa contacted by the Post said they threw the letter in the trash. Far from scaring Finkelstein, the letter angered her. She said it was inaccurate and did not properly identify the sender.

"It is an insult to anyone's intelligence, because they pretend they are not a political organization," said Finkelstein. She hadn't heard of One House.

The letter, which was unsigned and offered only a phone number to a messaging center, had no name or signatures attached to it, Finkelstein said.

So she looked One House up on the Internet, where the presence of Vilan's and Avital's name, along with the group's agenda, quickly led her to conclude what she had suspected from the start, that this was a left-wing organization.

It claims to be non-partisan, but there is no avoiding the political implications of gathering a list of names to convince the government that it must support people leaving Judea and Samaria, she said.


According to the Defense Ministry, only 56 percent, some 450 kilometers of the 790 kilometers that make up the total route, have been finished to date. There are some 26 High Court petitions still under review with respect to the fence, of which eight are in the Gush Etzion area, where Tekoa is located.

According to a rough estimate by the Defense Ministry, it could take until 2010 to finish the fence.

But Vilan, who helped create One House in 2005 along with left-wing activists and settlers who do want to leave their homes, said the issue was not the date of the fence's completion.

Vilan said he was deeply concerned that those who live outside its boundaries are in physical danger and should they want to leave they have no financial recourse to do so.

The letter, he said, reflected the alarm that he felt for their fate. From where he sits, there are only two possibilities with respect to the fate of the close to 70,000 settlers who live on the Palestinian side of the fence.

In the first scenario they will be evacuated as the result of a political agreement worked out with the Palestinians. In the second, should diplomacy fail and a third intifada were to break out, they would be at risk of violent attacks from Palestinians.

From Hamas's point of view, the easiest place to attack Israel is in the territories, said Vilan.

The settlers there are like "hostages," he added. If they want to leave they should know that there is an organization that is working to make it possible.
Vilan could care less what happens to Jews who live outside the 'security fence.' His agenda, and the agenda of most of the 'fence's supporters, is to get the Jews out of Judea and Samaria. The next time someone tells you otherwise, just ask them who supports the 'fence' and who opposes it, how the 'fence' - much of which is not completed - has cut down terror attacks until now, and how the 'fence' will protect us in the future if there are no Jews and no IDF in Judea and Samaria.


At 4:55 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

I'm tired of all the BS. Jewish liberals/leftists are our greatest enemy and never miss an opportunity to bugger us on a daily basis.
After WW1 the Jews that dominated the spatacists and bolsheviks gave credence to the backstabbing theory.
The mensheviks that dominated the yishuv after they killed De Haan framed Stavsky with Arkosoroffs murder.
They blocked visas to orthos and revisionists during shoah
In america they were too busy jerking off to FDR and having gentile grandkids to make an issue about shoah (orth rabbis and bergson notwithstanding).
Oh but they were the first to march for civil rights, gay rights abortion etc.
Yet when the struggle for sovit jewry began it was the children of holocaust refgees that dominated. fighting for thr rights of thse who would fire jewish teachers in brownsville, or building "projects" in Jewish neighborhoods was too important.
During the crown heights pogrom the libs sided with dinkins!
Every anti-israel org is top heavy with liberal kapos.
When Jewish Jewstruggle to build an eruv, a new shul, a yeshiva or for school choice the waffen ss of opposition are the Jewish libs.
The nazis were evil but not stupid. They knew what they were doing when they proflied jewishleftists/libs to be on the judenrat and to be kapos.
we just had a study showing that young non ortho jews in the US couldn't care less about Israel. Yes our JCC's and afternoon reform/conserv. Bnai mitzvah mills have served am yisroel well. let them have hillary and suha.
I could close with feathery new year optimistic hogwash, that theres hope for tshuva. but there isn't much hope. for every lubav bt there are 100 adam shapiros/ilan pappes. On the other hand a tiny bit of hope exists. Shapiro married an Arab. His genes have been passed on to the goyim , maybe his cuse will also be- but I doubt it I see a run of Reform Temple sposored talks by him in the future.

At 5:11 PM, Blogger Carl in Jerusalem said...


I'm sure Mikey Lerner will invite Adam Shapiro. He already invited Cindy Sheehan.

At 6:59 PM, Blogger Red Tulips said...


With all due respect, you have mischaracterized reform and conservative judaism.

I believe most reform and conservative synagogues lack the passion and Jewish commitment of Orthodox synagogues, however, most are Zionist and most give Jews a connection to Judaism they otherwise would not have. The choice is not Orthodox or Reform. For many Jews, the choice is Reform of nothing at all. Given that, I would argue Reform synagogues are not a bad thing. Moreover, Reform synagogues are increasingly becoming more religious, anyway.

Now, as far as your argument about the Nazis; I have read about Rabbi Stephen Wise and the American Jewish community during WWII. Yes, there is more they could have done, in my opinion. But this all misses the broader problems in the world.

I believe that the problems Jews face are of more pressing significance than most ethnic/religious groups throughout the world. And so kapos and self hatred have a more immediate and disastrous effect on the Jewish nation than it does or would on most others. But self hatred is not limited to the Jews, and treason is not limited to the Jews.

Just look at Eurodhimmiland. It is a cesspool of self hate on a scale that I believe even outstrips Israel. Every opportunity is taken to bash the Judeo-christian Euro heritage. Even in the US, moveon.org had the gaul to call General Petreaus a traitor for simply saying the US is making progress in Iraq...and this ad was not condemned by a single Democratic candidate for president. Not one. Why is this?

I would argue the root of the self hatred is in communism, and in fact the free world only just barely won the Cold War; academia and the social elite of Eurodhimmiland and the US are littered with communists and socialists. And I view this, not Jewish self hatred as the root of the problem.

In short, I see Israel's problems as very related to its socialist roots. The further it gets from these socialist roots, the more it will have to grasp some alternative ideology. We cannot forget that socialism/communism is an antisemitic philosophy at its core. Karl Marx was not a Jew (his parents converted to Christianity and raised him Jewish), and he wrote the antisemitic paper, On the Jewish Question. There is a reason why the USSR was so hostile to Jews, and why communist nations around the world are so virulently hostile to Jews. Once you read On the Jewish Question, perhaps you will have a better understanding as to what I am talking about.

To sum this all up...to the extent that Jews might suffer particularly from self hate and self destructiveness, as opposed to Eurodhimmiland and the like, it is because of the large numbers of Jewish communists. The Jewish communists are not the recent immigrants from the former USSR, as most of those saw the destructiveness of communism and are now ardently anti-communist. No, the communists mostly are Red diaper babies whose parents and grandparents left the USSR and Eastern European and European states when communism was en vogue. Most of these Red diaper babies are assimilating, anyway. Witness the Adam Shapiro story. And thus, within the next few generations, I predict that the Jewish nation will only improve, if nothing else due to demographics of who is reproducing.

At 7:45 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

"I believe most reform and conservative synagogues lack the passion and Jewish commitment of Orthodox synagogues, however, most are Zionist and most give Jews a connection to Judaism they otherwise would not have. The choice is not Orthodox or Reform. For many Jews, the choice is Reform of nothing at all. Given that, I would argue Reform synagogues are not a bad thing. Moreover, Reform synagogues are increasingly becoming more religious, anyway."

I wish you were correct. I wish c&r's were becoming more observant, having large numbers of Jewish kids, visited Israel at a higher rate than xtians, and didn't intermarry. Yes, the local federation rags often profile a temple that added a few lines of hebrew. but this is like the MSM in the 70's profiling the successful black woman that was once on welfare.
The facts speak for themselves. r%c have intermarriga rates approaching 75% in some locales.
2007 National Survey of American Jews demonstrated how with each generation the non orthos have little concern for Israel and Judaism.
We can pretend that r& c are strongly committed , but for the vast majority are places for going twice a year and for treif bnai mitzvas.
Conservative "believes " in halacha, and you can probably find a minyan of shomer mitzva conservative jews, but I'd bet my left foot that less tah 1% of C's practice family purity and only5% would even know that they are supposed to.
100 years from know when historians write the history of American Jewry-at least of the wave that came at the beginning of the 20TH century- willbe
" they came , they prosperred , they intermarried, they ignored TWO HOLOCAUSTS, and they disappeared.
Nothing to be proud of.
p.s. notice that I intentionally excluded the refugees from hitler and stalin- They are the Maccabees of America

At 8:09 PM, Blogger Red Tulips said...


I have to reiterate how you have the wrong perspective.

If the choice were between Orthodox Judaism and Reform Judaism, you would have a point, and maybe I would agree with you. That is not the choice.

The choice of most Jews, for instance, my dad, would be between Reform Judaism and nothing, or even converting out of Judaism. So the correct comparison that should be made is not between Reform/Conservative Jews and Orthodox Jewry. The correct comparison should be between Reform/Conservative and nothing/atheism.

Given those are the choices, (and I can say for the most part, that is the reality) the real question should be whether Reform/Conservative Judaism is better than nothing at all. And the answer to that question, in my mind, is a clear yes.

There are real benefits offered in Reform/Conservative shuls. Firstly, technically speaking, Conservative shuls believe in Halacha, however, the synagogues are integrated by gender, and most of the congregants do not follow Halacha in their daily lives. How is it a negative if Jews in that category are exposed to what is authetic Judaism when they go to shul, which they otherwise would not do?

Then there are Reform congregations, which do not follow Halacha and do not necessarily believe in Halacha. I would argue that the validity of these synagogues is on a case by case basis. Some are basically churches with a few Hebrew words uttered; I see little value in that and no point in holding on to Judaism if that is all that is left. Other synagogues offer much more.

Your analysis is very black and white, whereas the world of Reform/Conservative Judaism is anything but that.

Finally, you have not addressed the rest of what I said, which I believe to be the bottom line basis for the self hate. I do not see this as a particularly theological Jewish struggle, except to the extent that Judaism is and can be used as an alternative to the destructiveness of communist self hate. I have atheist Jewish friends who are the biggest Zionists around. They identify with capitalism and secular humanism, and even vote for the religious parties in Israel, as they are also capitalist and anti-communist.

The root of the self hate in Israel is the same root found in Eurodhimmiland, the US, and the rest of the West. It is communism, which we know is linked with Islamofascism. It is that root which must be expunged, not Reform and Conservative Judaism.

At 8:20 PM, Blogger Red Tulips said...

P.S.: I never said that Reform or Conservative Jews are as committed as Orthodox Jews, because they are not. However, most congregations are much more committed to Israel and the Jewish nation than the general population of the US or Eurodhimmiland. Moreover, if any kid of a secular Jew is to make teshuva, they would come from the Reform/Conservative pool, NOT the pool of kids with atheist parents.

In summation: the logical and constructive path to take is to encourage and support Orthodox Jewry, while not denigrating Reform/Conservative congregations unless they fail to support the Jewish nation. (such as in Lerner's case) For every Lerner synagogue, there are 20 Zionist congregations that might not be as ardent as Orthodox congregations, but are definitely not anti-zionist. (and that said, the Satmar are Orthodox and anti-Zionist)

So what should be done? Work with the Reform/Conservative shuls. Have Zionist speakers come and educate the members of these shuls, and get out the facts, which are on our side. Hope is not lost, and the vast majority of Reform/Conservative synagogues are not the enemy.

At 9:34 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

"The correct comparison should be between Reform/Conservative and nothing/atheism."

You're missing the major point. For the vast number of "Reform/Conservative" Jews there is no difference from nothing/atheism.
We can pretend that reform/Conservative are shomer mitzvah and follow the halacha of the month, but the vast majority don't drive to schul on shabbat, the overwhelming majority go to their temple-sic twice a year if at all and for bnai mitzvas.For that 95% they are effectively no different from the guy who goes to the JCC weight room thrice weekly but never to shul.
You want to argue
philosophically whether Reform/Conservative are better than nothing. Its irrelevant.
The facts speak for themselves look at the intermarriage rate and the 2007 National Survey of American Jews . They are disappearing and maybe given their propensity to bugger Jewish Jews it can't come fast enough.

At 10:03 PM, Blogger Red Tulips said...


You have not proven how Reform/Conservative Judaism are the problem behind Jewish self hate. You have only shown that they do very little to prevent assimilation. With that we are somewhat in agreement; I would argue that Reform/Conservative Judaism is better than nothing and is at least an intro to Judaism for many who would otherwise reject Judaism out of hand, me included.

But the root of the self hate and the root of the self destructiveness within the Jewish nation is the same root that has taken hold of the world, and as I said, it is not theological, but ideological, namely, communism/socialism.

Religious Jews have a stronger philosophical counterweight against the assault of communism/socialism than nonreligious Jews, however, atheists and secularists too are often strongly anti-dhimmi.

It is time to stop alienating our allies and mislabeling the problem, and rather reach out to said allies and hope to expand their numbers.

At 11:21 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

"But the root of the self hate and the root of the self destructiveness within the Jewish nation is the same root that has taken hold of the world, and as I said, it is not theological, but ideological, namely, communism/socialism."

It goes deeper than that.
During the wave of immigration at the beginning of the 20th century, the 3-4 million Jews that left Eastern Europe were not a random cross section of E. European Jewry. The rabbaim were largely against going to the goldenmedina because they knew that the people would be gone in a few generations. IT WAS THE LEAST JEWISH JEWS THAT CAME!!!!! This was the opposite of Spain where the most Jewish left and quislings became good Catholics(yes a few became marranos but that is tangential). It is no coincidence that those who came quickly assimilated and IGNORED THE HOLOCAUST!!!!. The religious community of today is predominately the refugees of stalin and hitler and shoah survivors. This makes sense since they were the descendants of those who listened to their rabbai and didn't come earlier. I hate to say this but the FAR BETTER 6 million died.

Back to reform. If the few hundred lubav and aish BT's were the net result, maybe there is a net positive. But all the damage wrought by "rabbis for human rights", succor for hitlery, Yoffies support for that deformed mutant kapo scum Oppenheimer, and the hundreds of adam shapiro for every BT, I'd say the net effect is quite negative.
No alternatives? I've known strongly Jewish athiests who never goto shul who are much more Jewishly committed than twice a year r or c's.
Once in Jerusalem I met a man from California whose home was used as the Chabad house in Santa something ca. it turned out he was an athiest but a strong Jew in his heart.
The real truth is that people goto R & c because of their lack of ommittment and the vast majority go twice a year.

At 11:22 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

"It is time to stop alienating our allies and mislabeling the problem, and rather reach out to said allies and hope to expand their numbers."

Our true allies are the evangelicals who are contantly vilified by the Jewish libs

At 11:27 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

however, most are Zionist

I guess you haven't been to an Israeli day parade in the last ten years. Its an Ortho convention. I wish others would come march or watch(in statistically significant numbers)


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