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Friday, August 11, 2006

If today's New York Times editors were in charge in 1943

Hat Tip: Gershon in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, New York

4 Comments:

At 5:25 PM, Blogger Motherearth2000 said...

I really do not understand this newspaper, I think i get what you're trying to say, but arn't you shooting yourself in the foot? What is the point? A wall is a wall is a wall, but the definition is, is it built around Israel or around Palestine? Are the Lebanese being told to stay in their houses, get out of their houses, go here, go there or you die? Isn't it the Palestinians who have to stop at check points show papers, not hold passports, live concentrated on a piece of land thats become a sort of camp?

So are you saying they have a right to uprise? I'm sorry I just don't get it. As the fourth strongest army do you think the world sees the Jewish as any longer the under dog? Is it that?Perhaps the world sees Isreal as very successful, only the Israelis see themselves as still the underdog? I am trying to understand (why I looked for a site like this) but all I can see is a foot.... with a hole in it.

 
At 6:52 PM, Blogger Dave in Pa said...

Motherearth2000,

Let me help you.

Israel, a small nation about the size of New Jersey, is surrounded by a sea of 200 million+ Arabs, the vast majority of whom are implacably hostile to the very existence of Israel.

Since Israel's War of Independence in 1948, Israel has had to fight 5 major wars and chronic terrorism inbetween.

Israel has historically tried to fight these wars respecting the Geneva Conventions regardin noncombatants, etc. This is in line with Judaism's humanistic values and belief in the sanctity of human life.

By contrast, Israel's Islamofascist enemies specifically target Israeli civilians. In addition, Israel's Islamofascist enemies hide themselves and their weapons among civilians, to protect themselves and to force Israel to, inadvertently, unintentionally, regretfully, cause civilian casualties.

So, on one side you have the brave, hard-working and cultured Israeli people, who have built a modern Western democracy from a wilderness.

On the other side you have Islamofascist head-choppers, bombers of children in pizza parlors, killers of pregnant women, revelling in death and slaughter done for "God's sake".

Am I saying that the Israel Government never makes mistakes? No. Am I saying that I agree with all of the Israel Government's policies? No. (The same applies to my own beloved America and all the other Western Democracies.)

However, it boils down to: Western Civilization (Israel) versus (Islamofascism and Arab tyrannies' transferrance and projection manipulation of their own oppressed people) barbarism. It's ultimately that simple.

 
At 1:59 AM, Blogger Motherearth2000 said...

wow really big words for such an ultimately simple problem and why do I feel you are shouting at me! I did not require the history lesson thankyou. I was only trying to say the newspaper was confusing.

I don't think of Israel as a ghetto. People are more likely to think of palestine as a 'ghetto'. So though I suppose I get the point it is confusing. It reads like 'Palestine ghetto uprising an over-reaction blah blah'

Oh never mind it's a moot point.

And by the way the definition of fascism is a governmental system run by a dictatorship with stringent socio-economic controls and a beligerent nationalism.

Isreal is presently at war with two (however much it is not liked) democratically elected governments one of which has no actual nation, so that makes no sense either.

Israel as you say is a small island surrounded by a sea of arabs and it needs to broker relationships with it's neighbours by taking the high ground and acting like the educated successful and diplomatic nation it strives to be.

I have looked at pictures, many of them, of arab militants holding up their babies and children dressed up for the cause, it's terrible, but why aren't they in school and work? If only Israel could stem this tide and change it to productive living for these people by helping them build schools and factories perhaps this madness would end. I say this in all good faith. Arab teenagers on street corners with no hope, future or work. equal terrorists.

This may be a hard deed to do, but if you are a parent how often would you give your own child a second chance? Many times. Because your lives are intertwined.

People learn by example. Which interestingly enough brings us back to the newspaper! But that's another story.

 
At 11:17 PM, Blogger Diego Soto Gutierrez said...

what else do the palestinian need from israeli government?? drop them to the sea??

 

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